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    Parents Angry After School Put Autistic Son in Bag

    http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headline...ic-son-in-bag/

    “God, they do not have my son in that bag …”


    That’s what Sandra Baker, of Harrodsburg, Ky., said she thought when she walked down a hall toward a big green bag, with a teacher’s aide sitting beside it, at her son’s school, on Dec. 14.


    “Mama, is that you?” a voice coming from the bag said.


    Christopher Baker, 9, is autistic and has attention deficit hyperactivity disorder. Sometimes his school calls Baker, 35, to come to the school to help calm him down, she said.


    “They said he was ‘bouncing off the walls,’” Baker said, describing the call she got — relayed by her mother — on Dec. 14.


    The bag was not mesh; it was opaque cloth, with a drawstring, which was pulled tight, Baker said. Christopher could not see out, she said, adding that he asked “Who’s out there?” before asking, “Mama, is that you?”


    “You need to get him out of that bag, now,” Baker said she told the aide, who struggled to open the bag, according to Baker. “That startled me: What if he aspirated on food, or a fire broke out?” she said.


    They had not been contacted by Mercer County Schools Interim Superintendent Dennis Davis. In a statement, Davis said he couldn’t comment because of confidentiality laws. “The employees of the Mercer County Public Schools are qualified professionals who treat students with respect and dignity while providing a safe and nurturing learning environment,” Davis said in the statement.

    Bags are used to calm and control special-needs children, the Bakers said, but they are elastic and allow the child to stand, move around and get out if they need to. “This was like a gym bag,” Sandra Baker said.


    My oldest son is mildly autistic - when he was younger we had a lot of issues with the school he attended. As he grew older some of his issues sort of faded - he learned about to be in more control of his self, etc. . . making it easier to teach him and he distrupted the class less.

    However frustrating it might have been for the teachers - they did NOT treat him like ****.

    If I had come to school at some point and FOUND him in a ****ing bag in a hallway - I'd likely lose my temper. I've been on edge of losing it several times with teachers concerning just how they talked about him . . . I don't think I would have maintained control if they violated his rights, physical self and dignity. I would have beat the **** out of them.

    This story INFURIATES me - and more so: the school DEFENDED their actions by saying "bags are used to control . . . they're a gym bag that they can get out of" **** YOU YOU **** - let me stick you in a bag and leave you there and see how you like it you disgusting pigs.

    More so: the mother heard that they 'used bags to handle them' and just didn't know 'how' they used the bag - that's bizarre. . .obviously you can NEVER EVER assume that they're doing what you THINK they're doing. You must ask question and lots of them!

    I think this is exactly WHY the dissolve of special-needs-only classrooms was horrible. . . regular teachers have 20+ kids and special needs children require extra attention that the average teacher can't provide, doesn't have instruction in . . . I think it sets everyone up for a poor and failing school experience.

    As special needs children grew THEN they should be in a regular classroom more IF they can control their selves on their own and with less interaction from the teacher.

    I found that my son being shuffled to and from classroom 4 times a day was more disruptive than anything else - and this was so he could have individualized instruction time. At least years ago they would have a small classroom for one-on-one cognitive (etc) related activity to strengthen their skills in school but now they just stick tehse special needs kids who have attention deficit and physical issues in the hallway - with countless others shuffling past all the time (yeah, they're going to focus and learn then)

    Schools are failing miserably to keep up with the growing number of students who have issues.
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    Re: Parents Angry After School Put Autistic Son in Bag

    How could this story not infuriate anyone?

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    Re: Parents Angry After School Put Autistic Son in Bag

    Yes - how could it not? I would flip out if my non-autistic children were treated that way, too.

    I think they respond to special-needs children so horrendously because there's a disconnect: they don't 'act' normal so it won't 'affect' them like it would a normal child. But do that to a 'normal' child - and get away with it? A 'normal' child after being stuck in a bag for hours would most likely immediately GO HOME AND TELL MOM AND DAD. Even if they wouldn't there'd be that impending fear in someone's mine that *that very day* theyd' be found out and fired - They're taking abusive advantage of a child's inability to remember or communicate.

    It's disgusting - shows how much humanity fails.
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    Re: Parents Angry After School Put Autistic Son in Bag

    My middle step kid has mild wig outs at school.

    I'm purdy sure that if they did this to him, that it would be a race between my wife and I to see who went to jail first, for kicking the crap out of a few teachers and one principle.
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    Re: Parents Angry After School Put Autistic Son in Bag

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Parents Angry After School Put Autistic Son in Bag - ABC News



    My oldest son is mildly autistic - when he was younger we had a lot of issues with the school he attended. As he grew older some of his issues sort of faded - he learned about to be in more control of his self, etc. . . making it easier to teach him and he distrupted the class less.

    However frustrating it might have been for the teachers - they did NOT treat him like ****.

    If I had come to school at some point and FOUND him in a ****ing bag in a hallway - I'd likely lose my temper. I've been on edge of losing it several times with teachers concerning just how they talked about him . . . I don't think I would have maintained control if they violated his rights, physical self and dignity. I would have beat the **** out of them.

    This story INFURIATES me - and more so: the school DEFENDED their actions by saying "bags are used to control . . . they're a gym bag that they can get out of" **** YOU YOU **** - let me stick you in a bag and leave you there and see how you like it you disgusting pigs.

    More so: the mother heard that they 'used bags to handle them' and just didn't know 'how' they used the bag - that's bizarre. . .obviously you can NEVER EVER assume that they're doing what you THINK they're doing. You must ask question and lots of them!

    I think this is exactly WHY the dissolve of special-needs-only classrooms was horrible. . . regular teachers have 20+ kids and special needs children require extra attention that the average teacher can't provide, doesn't have instruction in . . . I think it sets everyone up for a poor and failing school experience.

    As special needs children grew THEN they should be in a regular classroom more IF they can control their selves on their own and with less interaction from the teacher.

    I found that my son being shuffled to and from classroom 4 times a day was more disruptive than anything else - and this was so he could have individualized instruction time. At least years ago they would have a small classroom for one-on-one cognitive (etc) related activity to strengthen their skills in school but now they just stick tehse special needs kids who have attention deficit and physical issues in the hallway - with countless others shuffling past all the time (yeah, they're going to focus and learn then)

    Schools are failing miserably to keep up with the growing number of students who have issues.
    One of my kids has aspergers and my wife is a special ed teacher who routinely deals with autistic children and one thing should be known to all.

    Often autistic children have sensory issues and can easily become over or understimulated (each kid is unique in this area). Putting children in a bag is actually a form of therapy.

    So lets not rush to judgement about this.

    However, if the school did something like this without the parents knowledge and consent, this is against federal regulations and the IEP process. So its a huge no-no and that teacher's certification should be looked at very closely.
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    Re: Parents Angry After School Put Autistic Son in Bag

    There are so many things wrong with this that is difficult to know where to start.

    The kid is 9. From the photo he doesn't look like a future linebacker with a black belt. I'm 73 and not particularly athletic, yet I have no doubt I could handle him. If I felt I could not, I would have gotten some help. The statement that the aide bagged him at the request of the teacher tends to indicate that there was no immediate danger calling for drastic action. Reportedly they had a room set up in the school for just this situation.

    Apparently the teacher, the aide, or the administration sees nothing wrong with this action. Makes me wonder how often it happens The aide was sent alone into the hall with the boy and was waiting for the mother to show up. I would not have sat in that hall with a bagged child and waited for the mother.

    "The employees of the Mercer County Public Schools are qualified professionals who treat students with respect and dignity while providing a safe and nurturing learning environment,” Davis said in the statement."

    Really? Does this even require comment?
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    I realize that this is only one side of the story, but the words of the administration do not seem to dispute the story.
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    Re: Parents Angry After School Put Autistic Son in Bag

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    One of my kids has aspergers and my wife is a special ed teacher who routinely deals with autistic children and one thing should be known to all.
    Yes - us parents know it can be difficult, exhausting and trying. But there is a line and I feel this crossed that line.

    Often autistic children have sensory issues and can easily become over or understimulated (each kid is unique in this area). Putting children in a bag is actually a form of therapy.

    So lets not rush to judgement about this.

    However, if the school did something like this without the parents knowledge and consent, this is against federal regulations and the IEP process. So its a huge no-no and that teacher's certification should be looked at very closely.
    You know what: if a PARENT shoved their kid in a bag because they couldn't handle them I'd call CPS and consider it abuse and neglect. There's no excusing this approach ot teaching or parenting. If a PET was

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    There are so many things wrong with this that is difficult to know where to start.

    The kid is 9. From the photo he doesn't look like a future linebacker with a black belt. I'm 73 and not particularly athletic, yet I have no doubt I could handle him. If I felt I could not, I would have gotten some help. The statement that the aide bagged him at the request of the teacher tends to indicate that there was no immediate danger calling for drastic action. Reportedly they had a room set up in the school for just this situation.
    yes - and they do it often .. . I doubt he was a threat that couldn't be handled in another way.
    What happens when 'normal' children act out physically? Do they get bagged? I don't think this is *for* the the child but it's *for* the teachers - out of sight, out of mind.

    Apparently the teacher, the aide, or the administration sees nothing wrong with this action. Makes me wonder how often it happens The aide was sent alone into the hall with the boy and was waiting for the mother to show up. I would not have sat in that hall with a bagged child and waited for the mother.
    Oh absolutely - someone could have done the RIGHT thing.

    "The employees of the Mercer County Public Schools are qualified professionals who treat students with respect and dignity while providing a safe and nurturing learning environment,” Davis said in the statement."

    Really? Does this even require comment?
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    I realize that this is only one side of the story, but the words of the administration do not seem to dispute the story.
    They indeed don't. IN fact: he defends it and says they do this all the time. This is 'normal' - "Stick the squeeling piglet in a bag and don't let him out"

    It's sick.

    Why don't they stick crazed prisoners in bags? it's THAT inhumane.
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    Re: Parents Angry After School Put Autistic Son in Bag

    From the article it would appear that the parent understands the benefits of putting a kid in a bag. Her problem is with the kind of bag that is used. I'm maybe jumping to conclusions here but it seems that many would get upset by reading that a kid was placed in a bag, but I think I need far more information here before making a judgement.

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    Re: Parents Angry After School Put Autistic Son in Bag

    **** them.
    It's disgusting how it's a growing trend in current society for how people with special needs and more care are often more neglected than most normal people.
    The worse thing is that the school actually justified its disgusting action. Shame on them
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    Re: Parents Angry After School Put Autistic Son in Bag

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