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    Re: Parents Angry After School Put Autistic Son in Bag

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    Answer: Don't expect the governent to take care of your child.
    When the government makes education mandatory, you have a right to expect that the people being paid to educate your child are capable of handling them without sticking them in a freaking bag.
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    Re: Parents Angry After School Put Autistic Son in Bag

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    When the government makes education mandatory, you have a right to expect that the people being paid to educate your child are capable of handling them without sticking them in a freaking bag.
    Enrollment in government school is not mandatory. Duh.

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    Re: Parents Angry After School Put Autistic Son in Bag

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    Enrollment in government school is not mandatory. Duh.
    It is if you can't afford a private school.
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    Re: Parents Angry After School Put Autistic Son in Bag

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    That makes no sense in this regard - the government will be upholding the law if it goes to court and investigating to ensure children aren't treated even worse than this.

    This, also, isn't some sort of government mandated measure.

    That being said: are you suggesting that all parents should homeschool?

    I think don't it's too much to ask that teachers (etc) properly care for the children they choose to teach.
    Do you think every school district in the country will have the same faclilities available for special needs ? That they will then treat all within the same protocols ?

    Not going to happen. You can lobby your school district. But otherwise, you may have to accept bag therapy, or second rate care, if that is your district's policy. And if it is, and you keep your child in public school, then blame no one but yourself.

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    Re: Parents Angry After School Put Autistic Son in Bag

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    It is if you can't afford a private school.
    If your life choices are such that one can ony afford to live in a trailer park, then is living in a trailer park "mandatory" ?

    Sorry, but there is nothing "mandatory" about sending a child to public school in the US. It may be the only option one has left themselves, but that is a result of your choices, and no one else's.

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    Re: Parents Angry After School Put Autistic Son in Bag

    I haven't read the entire thread, but I did read about this in yesterday's papers. It was described as a standard duffle bag with a cord threaded through the opening so it could be tied shut.

    No child should ever be bagged up like this!! NO CHILD! Disrupting the classroom? Then find a therapeudic and accepted manner of dealing with it. Hell, they might just as well have handcuffed him to a chair with duct tape over his mouth. That would end the disruption. This is sooo upsetting, particularly since the school is defending the practice.

    Seriously, I'm horrified.

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    Re: Parents Angry After School Put Autistic Son in Bag

    So I've read the article and most of the thread. As I see it:

    Lycra bags are accepted therapy. I can see why. I am not autistic, but I have a mild sensory integration disorder. Mine is related mostly to sound, and has lessened as I've gotten older, but if there was some way to translate this concept to hearing, I'd have been all over it as a kid who had a hard time dealing when I was overwhelmed.

    These bags are non-restrictive, see-through, and give a mild pressure that many autistics find soothing. I see nothing wrong with using this as therapy or as a way of de-escalating a melt down. Under 2 conditions:

    1. The parents knows it may be used and has consented.
    2. The therapy has been tried and has found to offer the child benefit. All autistic/sensitive children are different. What works for one may not work for another.

    It sounds to me like the mother in this article gets all of this. But here are the issues:

    1. This was not a therapeutic bag, but a sack which restricted movement, could not be seen out of, and is not known to offer any therapeutic benefit in any circumstance.
    2. The child was left in the hallway. This is basically callousness at best and a form of humiliation at worst. But on top of that, it is also anti-therapeutic to a child who is freaking out due to sensory overload.

    That is the issue here, as I see it.

    While it sounds immediately despicable to "put a child in a bag," I can see why it may not be assuming it offers therapeutic benefit and the parent is aware. Sounds like the mother agrees. The issue here is the execution of this concept.
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    Re: Parents Angry After School Put Autistic Son in Bag

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    I haven't read the entire thread, but I did read about this in yesterday's papers. It was described as a standard duffle bag with a cord threaded through the opening so it could be tied shut.

    No child should ever be bagged up like this!! NO CHILD! Disrupting the classroom? Then find a therapeudic and accepted manner of dealing with it. Hell, they might just as well have handcuffed him to a chair with duct tape over his mouth. That would end the disruption. This is sooo upsetting, particularly since the school is defending the practice.

    Seriously, I'm horrified.
    I haven't seen a reply from the school.

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    Re: Parents Angry After School Put Autistic Son in Bag

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    If your life choices are such that one can ony afford to live in a trailer park, then is living in a trailer park "mandatory" ?
    Your comparison falls short -- the government doesn't mandate that you live in a home, mobile or otherwise.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    Sorry, but there is nothing "mandatory" about sending a child to public school in the US. It may be the only option one has left themselves, but that is a result of your choices, and no one else's.
    If the government mandates education, and you can't afford private education or private education isn't available in your area, then public education in effect becomes mandatory.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Parents Angry After School Put Autistic Son in Bag

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    So I've read the article and most of the thread. As I see it:

    Lycra bags are accepted therapy. I can see why. I am not autistic, but I have a mild sensory integration disorder. Mine is related mostly to sound, and has lessened as I've gotten older, but if there was some way to translate this concept to hearing, I'd have been all over it as a kid who had a hard time dealing when I was overwhelmed.

    These bags are non-restrictive, see-through, and give a mild pressure that many autistics find soothing. I see nothing wrong with using this as therapy or as a way of de-escalating a melt down. Under 2 conditions:

    1. The parents knows it may be used and has consented.
    2. The therapy has been tried and has found to offer the child benefit. All autistic/sensitive children are different. What works for one may not work for another.

    It sounds to me like the mother in this article gets all of this. But here are the issues:

    1. This was not a therapeutic bag, but a sack which restricted movement, could not be seen out of, and is not known to offer any therapeutic benefit in any circumstance.
    2. The child was left in the hallway. This is basically callousness at best and a form of humiliation at worst. But on top of that, it is also anti-therapeutic to a child who is freaking out due to sensory overload.

    That is the issue here, as I see it.

    While it sounds immediately despicable to "put a child in a bag," I can see why it may not be assuming it offers therapeutic benefit and the parent is aware. Sounds like the mother agrees. The issue here is the execution of this concept.
    That's an excellent summary and analysis.


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