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    Re: Parents Angry After School Put Autistic Son in Bag

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    Fine. They throw your kid out of school then. They (we) are not obligated to provide you with anything special. Its nice when such is available, but you are not owed such.
    Fine. Let them throw him out but it better be a verbal throwing. Touch my kid, I touch them.

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    Re: Parents Angry After School Put Autistic Son in Bag

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headline...ic-son-in-bag/



    My oldest son is mildly autistic - when he was younger we had a lot of issues with the school he attended. As he grew older some of his issues sort of faded - he learned about to be in more control of his self, etc. . . making it easier to teach him and he distrupted the class less.

    However frustrating it might have been for the teachers - they did NOT treat him like ****.

    If I had come to school at some point and FOUND him in a ****ing bag in a hallway - I'd likely lose my temper. I've been on edge of losing it several times with teachers concerning just how they talked about him . . . I don't think I would have maintained control if they violated his rights, physical self and dignity. I would have beat the **** out of them.

    This story INFURIATES me - and more so: the school DEFENDED their actions by saying "bags are used to control . . . they're a gym bag that they can get out of" **** YOU YOU **** - let me stick you in a bag and leave you there and see how you like it you disgusting pigs.

    More so: the mother heard that they 'used bags to handle them' and just didn't know 'how' they used the bag - that's bizarre. . .obviously you can NEVER EVER assume that they're doing what you THINK they're doing. You must ask question and lots of them!

    I think this is exactly WHY the dissolve of special-needs-only classrooms was horrible. . . regular teachers have 20+ kids and special needs children require extra attention that the average teacher can't provide, doesn't have instruction in . . . I think it sets everyone up for a poor and failing school experience.

    As special needs children grew THEN they should be in a regular classroom more IF they can control their selves on their own and with less interaction from the teacher.

    I found that my son being shuffled to and from classroom 4 times a day was more disruptive than anything else - and this was so he could have individualized instruction time. At least years ago they would have a small classroom for one-on-one cognitive (etc) related activity to strengthen their skills in school but now they just stick tehse special needs kids who have attention deficit and physical issues in the hallway - with countless others shuffling past all the time (yeah, they're going to focus and learn then)

    Schools are failing miserably to keep up with the growing number of students who have issues.
    If putting autistic kids in a bag is how you deal with them then what is the big deal?Oh no they used the wrong type of bag not like the one in the picture, oh ****.
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    Re: Parents Angry After School Put Autistic Son in Bag

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    If putting autistic kids in a bag is how you deal with them then what is the big deal?Oh no they used the wrong type of bag not like the one in the picture, oh ****.
    It could be a big deal. I have no idea. Perhaps part of the accepted therapy is for the kid to be able to see. Perhaps the bag does the same thing as noted by the contraption noted earlier that's it's suppose to be a feeling of confinement which would happen with the lycra bags.

    But it would seem that indeed some are upset over the idea of bag therapy, accepted practice or not.

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    Re: Parents Angry After School Put Autistic Son in Bag

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    It could be a big deal. I have no idea. Perhaps part of the accepted therapy is for the kid to be able to see. Perhaps the bag does the same thing as noted by the contraption noted earlier that's it's suppose to be a feeling of confinement which would happen with the lycra bags.

    But it would seem that indeed some are upset over the idea of bag therapy, accepted practice or not.
    I suspect that they didn't have exactly the type of bag that was needed and went for the next best thing. I do not think it was a hey lets stick this dumb ass dee dee dee in a sack for our own personal amusement.
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    Re: Parents Angry After School Put Autistic Son in Bag

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    If putting autistic kids in a bag is how you deal with them then what is the big deal?Oh no they used the wrong type of bag not like the one in the picture, oh ****.
    That makes a difference to you?
    I don't believe in confining anyone like that as part of a punishment or with any type of a negative - I don't care what 'theraputic' benefits it brings in certain settings.

    I see some serious concerns here beyond the issue with the school that's happening.

    I'll refer to my son for these as I don't know how much they apply to others.

    Our son even to this day isn't always able to decide for himself the context in which something happens and how he's going to take it - he must be told or it has to be suggested. A little less now than before because he's learned a lot now that he's a teen . . . but when he was a child in every situation we had to explain to him our actions: the reasons for everything. There was little to no context for him to draw from - in his mind he made little connection to previous experiences.

    So - when he was younger: if I gave him permission to do something - then he would assume he always had that permission. It was not natural for him to draw from context why it was ok now (say: at home) VS not being ok in public (say: at school). And telling the difference a few times wasn't enough - such things had to be repeated for years.

    Applying that to this situation: even if it was a therapy session with a theraputic bag - he would not have understood why he couldn't play with any bag at all. This would have included plastic bags of all sizes, trash bags, sleeping bags - any sort of bag in his mind would have been considered the same.

    This is how my son developed a paranoid deep rooted fear of all flying creatures - he was stung by a wasp. To him - for 7 years or so - all flying creatures were going to sting him. He was petrified of EVERYTHING.

    Just how do you think he responded whenever we went outside and he saw anything flying? Moths, flies, ladybugs, airplanes, helicopter, beetles, birds.

    If putting him into a bag was associated with being punished or used as a negative how do you think he views other bags?

    Is this how they deal with 'normal' children who are not special needs? No freaking way - obviously - because this is ONLY for the special needs kids and no one else.

    How do you think parents would respond if "when your child is out of control we will place him/her in a gym bag and tie it closed until they calm down" in the rule and guidelines manual?
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    Re: Parents Angry After School Put Autistic Son in Bag

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    ............... How do you think parents would respond if "when your child is out of control we will place him/her in a gym bag and tie it closed until they calm down" in the rule and guidelines manual?
    Answer: Don't expect the governent to take care of your child.
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    Re: Parents Angry After School Put Autistic Son in Bag

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I suspect that they didn't have exactly the type of bag that was needed and went for the next best thing. I do not think it was a hey lets stick this dumb ass dee dee dee in a sack for our own personal amusement.
    I certainly wouldn't dimiss that possibility.

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    Re: Parents Angry After School Put Autistic Son in Bag

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    That makes a difference to you?
    I don't believe in confining anyone like that as part of a punishment or with any type of a negative - I don't care what 'theraputic' benefits it brings in certain settings.
    This sounds like those who argue against vaccinating their kids.

    Is this how they deal with 'normal' children who are not special needs? No freaking way - obviously - because this is ONLY for the special needs kids and no one else.
    How kids who do not have autism are treated is irrelevant.

    How do you think parents would respond if "when your child is out of control we will place him/her in a gym bag and tie it closed until they calm down" in the rule and guidelines manual?
    I do not think anyone is argueing that it's not possible that the school either abused or misunderstood the therapy.

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    Re: Parents Angry After School Put Autistic Son in Bag

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    Answer: Don't expect the governent to take care of your shild.
    That makes no sense in this regard - the government will be upholding the law if it goes to court and investigating to ensure children aren't treated even worse than this.

    This, also, isn't some sort of government mandated measure.

    That being said: are you suggesting that all parents should homeschool?

    I think don't it's too much to ask that teachers (etc) properly care for the children they choose to teach.
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    Re: Parents Angry After School Put Autistic Son in Bag

    Autistic individuals will often act out because they are deeply troubled by having too much incoming stimulus (over-stimulation). Part of the disorder is inability to filter out incoming stimulus - things like sounds, smells, tastes, touches, changes in lighting. Overstimulated autistic individuals often are comforted when there is pressure applied to various parts of the body or to the whole body. This is a well-documented fact and there are a number of devices like the Lycra bag to assist in comforting them. The Lycra bag is also used to treat some spacial and other sensory disorders. Lycra bags are not a punishment - they are a medical intervention for an overstimulated autistic person.

    Confining a child in something like a duffel bag does not provide pressure all over the body, does not allow the child to see and does not allow the child to free himself. I would think being put in a duffel bag for an hour would frighten anyone - autistic or not.

    The teachers and aides should have understood that firm pressure - not confinement - is the therapeutic component of the Lycra bag intervention and been able to deduce that just stuffing the kid into any old bag was inappropriate.

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