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    Re: Parents Angry After School Put Autistic Son in Bag

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headline...ic-son-in-bag/



    My oldest son is mildly autistic - when he was younger we had a lot of issues with the school he attended. As he grew older some of his issues sort of faded - he learned about to be in more control of his self, etc. . . making it easier to teach him and he distrupted the class less.

    However frustrating it might have been for the teachers - they did NOT treat him like ****.

    If I had come to school at some point and FOUND him in a ****ing bag in a hallway - I'd likely lose my temper. I've been on edge of losing it several times with teachers concerning just how they talked about him . . . I don't think I would have maintained control if they violated his rights, physical self and dignity. I would have beat the **** out of them.

    This story INFURIATES me - and more so: the school DEFENDED their actions by saying "bags are used to control . . . they're a gym bag that they can get out of" **** YOU YOU **** - let me stick you in a bag and leave you there and see how you like it you disgusting pigs.

    More so: the mother heard that they 'used bags to handle them' and just didn't know 'how' they used the bag - that's bizarre. . .obviously you can NEVER EVER assume that they're doing what you THINK they're doing. You must ask question and lots of them!

    I think this is exactly WHY the dissolve of special-needs-only classrooms was horrible. . . regular teachers have 20+ kids and special needs children require extra attention that the average teacher can't provide, doesn't have instruction in . . . I think it sets everyone up for a poor and failing school experience.

    As special needs children grew THEN they should be in a regular classroom more IF they can control their selves on their own and with less interaction from the teacher.

    I found that my son being shuffled to and from classroom 4 times a day was more disruptive than anything else - and this was so he could have individualized instruction time. At least years ago they would have a small classroom for one-on-one cognitive (etc) related activity to strengthen their skills in school but now they just stick tehse special needs kids who have attention deficit and physical issues in the hallway - with countless others shuffling past all the time (yeah, they're going to focus and learn then)

    Schools are failing miserably to keep up with the growing number of students who have issues.
    This issue is one that is close to my heart, since my son's case is the one that went to the Texas Supreme Court, which forced the Houston Independent School District to recognize autism as a disability. My son is autistic (early infantile autism), and you want to know what his special education teacher did to "treat" him? Put Tabasco sauce in his mouth. BTW, she wasn't a teacher for very long after that.
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    rolleyes Re: Parents Angry After School Put Autistic Son in Bag

    Parents get angry about anything these days...






    Really though, that is pretty terrible.
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    Re: Parents Angry After School Put Autistic Son in Bag

    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post
    I've seen more than you have, and my son is autistic. Your apologism for this kind of approach sickens me, Josie. For once could you get a reality check and not side with authority? I know you love to so much, but in this case you're wrong. How hard would it have been to separate the autistic student and put him in a different room, even alone if necessary, to cool down? How hard would it be to have an extra staff member on hand to be with him, and help him to express what the problem is? This is what virtually every district does in modern America.
    Where on earth is this coming from? I agree with you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post
    Autistic children don't act out for no reason, and it's not "acting out" but trying to express a problem in a dysfunctional way. The fact that it's being framed as "acting out" suggests that rules are being broken in a delinquent way. That's now how autistic children operate. If they are a danger to others then of course restraint is sometimes necessary, but "bag therapy" is not a therapy in the modern world. A rose by any other name would smell just as sweet; a bag by any other name is still a BAG being put over a kid and sealed shut so that they are in the dark.
    Well, it's obviously used in the modern world because there are several references to it being used in professional therapy sessions.

    As I said, it's very extreme and it's something I've never seen before. I'm no expert in autism or it's therapies, but this is one form of therapy that some use.

    I'm not really sure why your anger is being directed at me...


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    Re: Parents Angry After School Put Autistic Son in Bag

    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post
    I've seen more than you have, and my son is autistic. Your apologism for this kind of approach sickens me, Josie. For once could you get a reality check and not side with authority? ................................. Try apologizing for THAT, Josie.
    Well, aren't we special !! I can't speak for Josie, but I have certainly favored the views of that poster over yours. And I may, or may not be, the parent of a special needs child. I think it a bit too much "heart on my sleeve" to claim such were it the case, and then pontificate from that soapbox.

    Like it or not, there are practical restrictions in the public domain. The school system has its protocols and procedures, and it has its budgets. That other taxpayers are somehow obligated to pick up the tab to provide everyone's version of acceptable care of special needs students is not practical. That may not validate this type of therapy, but we BOTH know that in the autism-aspergers arena some children can be prone to violent and harming episodes. Hopefully your child is not, and never will be, one of those such afflicted. But it is for the school board to decide the resources it will allocate. Local citizens need to influence those folks, but again, you are not owed, nor is the school system obligated, to provide you with all the resources you want. They are not obligated to provide you with even what you feel is a minimum. You may have to choose other means of care/education.

    We don't know near enough from what could be a very incomplete news story. But even then, I think Josie has been very fair in their views.

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    Re: Parents Angry After School Put Autistic Son in Bag

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headline...ic-son-in-bag/



    My oldest son is mildly autistic - when he was younger we had a lot of issues with the school he attended. As he grew older some of his issues sort of faded - he learned about to be in more control of his self, etc. . . making it easier to teach him and he distrupted the class less.

    However frustrating it might have been for the teachers - they did NOT treat him like ****.

    If I had come to school at some point and FOUND him in a ****ing bag in a hallway - I'd likely lose my temper. I've been on edge of losing it several times with teachers concerning just how they talked about him . . . I don't think I would have maintained control if they violated his rights, physical self and dignity. I would have beat the **** out of them.

    This story INFURIATES me - and more so: the school DEFENDED their actions by saying "bags are used to control . . . they're a gym bag that they can get out of" **** YOU YOU **** - let me stick you in a bag and leave you there and see how you like it you disgusting pigs.

    More so: the mother heard that they 'used bags to handle them' and just didn't know 'how' they used the bag - that's bizarre. . .obviously you can NEVER EVER assume that they're doing what you THINK they're doing. You must ask question and lots of them!

    I think this is exactly WHY the dissolve of special-needs-only classrooms was horrible. . . regular teachers have 20+ kids and special needs children require extra attention that the average teacher can't provide, doesn't have instruction in . . . I think it sets everyone up for a poor and failing school experience.

    As special needs children grew THEN they should be in a regular classroom more IF they can control their selves on their own and with less interaction from the teacher.

    I found that my son being shuffled to and from classroom 4 times a day was more disruptive than anything else - and this was so he could have individualized instruction time. At least years ago they would have a small classroom for one-on-one cognitive (etc) related activity to strengthen their skills in school but now they just stick tehse special needs kids who have attention deficit and physical issues in the hallway - with countless others shuffling past all the time (yeah, they're going to focus and learn then)

    Schools are failing miserably to keep up with the growing number of students who have issues.
    I haven't followed the rest of this thread.

    But would you be up in arms as a parent if the school showed you the techniques they used on autistic children when you enroll them in the school so no parent is surprised by the techniques used when they see them?
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    Re: Parents Angry After School Put Autistic Son in Bag

    Teachers are to teach. Parents are to parent. Teachers who teach autistic children should be aware of every situation and how to handle it. Putting a kid in a bag is not acceptable.

    When my kid started school, he came home with a permission slip from the school that I was to sign that they could perform corporal punishment on him if he "acted up". I x'd out all of it and wrote on the back "if you touch my kid, I'll come touch you. And you don't want that. Trust me. If he "acts up", then I will handle it. Me. The parent. YOU handle teaching and leave the punishment to ME."

    No teacher has the right to put their hands on any kid. That is not their job. Especially autistic children or special needs children, etc. NO CHILD should be at the mercy of a teacher whose job is to TEACH.

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    Re: Parents Angry After School Put Autistic Son in Bag

    Quote Originally Posted by Enola View Post
    Teachers are to teach. Parents are to parent. Teachers who teach autistic children should be aware of every situation and how to handle it. Putting a kid in a bag is not acceptable.

    When my kid started school, he came home with a permission slip from the school that I was to sign that they could perform corporal punishment on him if he "acted up". I x'd out all of it and wrote on the back "if you touch my kid, I'll come touch you. And you don't want that. Trust me. If he "acts up", then I will handle it. Me. The parent. YOU handle teaching and leave the punishment to ME."

    No teacher has the right to put their hands on any kid. That is not their job. Especially autistic children or special needs children, etc. NO CHILD should be at the mercy of a teacher whose job is to TEACH.
    Fine. They throw your kid out of school then. They (we) are not obligated to provide you with anything special. Its nice when such is available, but you are not owed such.

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    Re: Parents Angry After School Put Autistic Son in Bag

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    I haven't followed the rest of this thread.

    But would you be up in arms as a parent if the school showed you the techniques they used on autistic children when you enroll them in the school so no parent is surprised by the techniques used when they see them?
    You think I would be tolerant or supportive of this if I knew it was going to happen before hand?

    Nope - I would not. There are modes of punishment I don't support at all and involuntary confinement in such an item like a bag or a box is NOT an acceptable form of restraint or punishment regardless of whether or not they're administered to children with or without parental knowledge.

    There are acceptable means of restraining physically violent or out of control children - club and sack is NOT IT. Being a parent of an autistic child who was prone to outbursts I had to learn what they were.
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    Re: Parents Angry After School Put Autistic Son in Bag

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    One of my kids has aspergers and my wife is a special ed teacher who routinely deals with autistic children and one thing should be known to all.

    Often autistic children have sensory issues and can easily become over or understimulated (each kid is unique in this area). Putting children in a bag is actually a form of therapy.

    So lets not rush to judgement about this.

    However, if the school did something like this without the parents knowledge and consent, this is against federal regulations and the IEP process. So its a huge no-no and that teacher's certification should be looked at very closely.
    It sounds like someone put the child into the wrong sort o bag as the mother knew Lycra bags are a form of therapeutic intervention for an autistic child experiencing sensory overload, but she states she found her child in something more like a gym bag than the therapeutic bag and that the aide had trouble freeing the child from the bag. If someone put a 9 yo in a duffel bag some heads need to roll.

    The therapeutic bags are made of Lycra and spandex, have velcro closure so the child can get out and are 'see-thru'.
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    Re: Parents Angry After School Put Autistic Son in Bag

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    If I had come to school at some point and FOUND him in a ****ing bag in a hallway - I'd likely lose my temper.
    I'd likely murder somebody.
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    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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