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    Re: Parents Angry After School Put Autistic Son in Bag

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headline...ic-son-in-bag/



    My oldest son is mildly autistic - when he was younger we had a lot of issues with the school he attended. As he grew older some of his issues sort of faded - he learned about to be in more control of his self, etc. . . making it easier to teach him and he distrupted the class less.

    However frustrating it might have been for the teachers - they did NOT treat him like ****.

    If I had come to school at some point and FOUND him in a ****ing bag in a hallway - I'd likely lose my temper. I've been on edge of losing it several times with teachers concerning just how they talked about him . . . I don't think I would have maintained control if they violated his rights, physical self and dignity. I would have beat the **** out of them.

    This story INFURIATES me - and more so: the school DEFENDED their actions by saying "bags are used to control . . . they're a gym bag that they can get out of" **** YOU YOU **** - let me stick you in a bag and leave you there and see how you like it you disgusting pigs.

    More so: the mother heard that they 'used bags to handle them' and just didn't know 'how' they used the bag - that's bizarre. . .obviously you can NEVER EVER assume that they're doing what you THINK they're doing. You must ask question and lots of them!

    I think this is exactly WHY the dissolve of special-needs-only classrooms was horrible. . . regular teachers have 20+ kids and special needs children require extra attention that the average teacher can't provide, doesn't have instruction in . . . I think it sets everyone up for a poor and failing school experience.

    As special needs children grew THEN they should be in a regular classroom more IF they can control their selves on their own and with less interaction from the teacher.

    I found that my son being shuffled to and from classroom 4 times a day was more disruptive than anything else - and this was so he could have individualized instruction time. At least years ago they would have a small classroom for one-on-one cognitive (etc) related activity to strengthen their skills in school but now they just stick tehse special needs kids who have attention deficit and physical issues in the hallway - with countless others shuffling past all the time (yeah, they're going to focus and learn then)

    Schools are failing miserably to keep up with the growing number of students who have issues.
    As awful as this sounds, I think I need to know more about the circumstances...about protocols, policies and procedures. Surely popping this kid into a bag didn't come out of the blue. Then the question becomes how does one restrain a child who is, as an example, banging his head against the wall? Throwing himself down on the ground and beating his head against the floor? Lashing out at others? Handcuffs? Ankle restraints? Physical restraint that would likely result in twisted arms and a myriad of bruises?

    I think there's more to this story than meets the eye.
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    Re: Parents Angry After School Put Autistic Son in Bag

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    People have not gathered enough info. "OMG, that kid's in a BAG!!!" No, it's not just "a bag," but a special bag used in a certain type of therapy, AND the mother seems to have understood the therapy. Cut the hype.
    It doesn't seem like this was anything except a regular old bag. As in a ball bag.

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    Re: Parents Angry After School Put Autistic Son in Bag

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Of course not... you see teachers commonly have to take care of multiple children at one time, commonly called a "classroom", and if one child is acting up, they need to be able to address and control that child without letting the other 19 children get out of hand or get distracted. This is called "being a teacher". You see, many generations before Lycra bags were invented, happened to teach children in this manner.

    Are you being serious here? Jezus...
    I don't think you understand that this isn't just a kid being ornery.....

    Let me give you a for instance...

    First grade classroom of 24 kids. In the middle of a math lesson, a child starts screaming, banging his head on his desk, rolling around on the floor, running around the room hitting other kids on the head.... and you think the teacher should have to keep that kid for AN HOUR until the parents get there? Do you understand that there will be absolutely NO LEARNING in that hour because the teacher will be constantly trying to stop that kid from hurting himself or other kids?


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    Re: Parents Angry After School Put Autistic Son in Bag

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    It doesn't seem like this was anything except a regular old bag. As in a ball bag.
    It's a bag used in autism therapy. The balls are used for sensory purposes.


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    Re: Parents Angry After School Put Autistic Son in Bag

    Again, to those who criticize the school, or bag treatment, when we clearly lack the knowledge to know if they followed an approved procedure, or cut too many corners .... what is your solution for the scenario's posed ?

    I have seen special needs children dealt with in legal ways that were far more traumatic than what seems to have happened here.

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    Re: Parents Angry After School Put Autistic Son in Bag

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Of course not... you see teachers commonly have to take care of multiple children at one time, commonly called a "classroom", and if one child is acting up, they need to be able to address and control that child without letting the other 19 children get out of hand or get distracted. This is called "being a teacher". You see, many generations before Lycra bags were invented, happened to teach children in this manner.
    There are many times where such a suggestion would work. Other times, however, not so much. With some outbursts, what you suggest is impossible without help. Some children need a great deal of one-on-one time when an episode occurs, and it will be quite the distraction. Even at local conferences, when the outburst occurs, and I am leading a group of kids with various needs, it takes a lot of coordination among other group leaders and parents to keep the games rolling. That example is much more lenient, because all of us had grown up in families where such outbursts were normal and we know what it is like for a parent to have to spend 20-30 minutes or more figuring out a way to get the atmosphere a bit more pleasant. However, in the classroom it is a different story.

    Of course, at the very least, the situation the news brought up was not proper in the slightest and it would be completely justifiable for the parents to be upset at the sack.
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    Re: Parents Angry After School Put Autistic Son in Bag

    I have seen special ed teachers pinning kids to the wall. They stand there holding the kids firmly to the wall with their bodies. If you just walked in and saw that not knowing the situation, you'd probably be calling the police. But... it's a therapy method for autistic kids. Some of them calm down if they're in that position (or if they are rubbed all over, rolled around on the floor, etc.)


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    Re: Parents Angry After School Put Autistic Son in Bag

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    I don't think you understand that this isn't just a kid being ornery.....

    Let me give you a for instance...

    First grade classroom of 24 kids. In the middle of a math lesson, a child starts screaming, banging his head on his desk, rolling around on the floor, running around the room hitting other kids on the head.... and you think the teacher should have to keep that kid for AN HOUR until the parents get there? Do you understand that there will be absolutely NO LEARNING in that hour because the teacher will be constantly trying to stop that kid from hurting himself or other kids?
    If the child is that disruptive, he goes out of the classroom and to the principals office, or to another room where someone has to watch him so he doesn't hurt himself. I don't see that in this case... and while your example is an extreme one, I cannot see any... let me stress again... any circumstance in which a school, without my permission or knowledge before the fact, puts my 9 year old no matter how disruptive, in a lycra bag. By the way, there was kid (when I still went to grade school) who was just like that. His name was Marc Sanchez, and we were in 5th grade. He was corrected a few times, threw his tantrum, was removed from the class and sat either in the nurses office, or the principals office quite often. If he calmed down (sometimes he did) he stayed in the classroom and participated. The teacher (Mrs. Kidder) knew how to control children, and knew how to teach you see.

    What I see as this lycra bag thing is akin to locking a kid in a closet. It's stupid, it's a cop out and it enforces the wrong behavior and lets the teacher off without having to deal with children. News flash - kids act up! Kids are hyper - they are disruptive... it's all part of being a child. Even when kids are extreme in their behavior, tying them in a lycra bag and not dealing with their behavior issues shows how ill prepared and clueless this particular school system is.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Parents Angry After School Put Autistic Son in Bag

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    It's a bag used in autism therapy. The balls are used for sensory purposes.
    The article is not clear as to what type of bag it was.

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    Re: Parents Angry After School Put Autistic Son in Bag

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    If the child is that disruptive, he goes out of the classroom and to the principals office, or to another room where someone has to watch him so he doesn't hurt himself. I don't see that in this case... and while your example is an extreme one, I cannot see any... let me stress again... any circumstance in which a school, without my permission or knowledge before the fact, puts my 9 year old no matter how disruptive, in a lycra bag.
    I agree that the bag is pretty extreme. I have never seen that and I've seen a lot of autistic kids.


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