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    Re: Parents Angry After School Put Autistic Son in Bag

    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post


    My son is autistic and if a school ever did this to him, the teacher who did this would be meeting my lawyer as well as my fist.

    There is NO EXCUSE for this kind of ignorant approach to special needs children in the modern world. They are not animals that you can do whatever you want with. They are real people.

    This story INFURIATES me!
    And you would be meeting the back seat of a police car, a magistrate, etc. There is much that we do not know here, and not a one of those "outraged" has provided us with a viable option as to what is to be done with a child that is unstable and out of control. Some form of physical restraint can be necessry, and I like to think that the option is to not always call the police, and have them subdue the child, which is enormously traumatic.

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    Re: Parents Angry After School Put Autistic Son in Bag

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    I don't know. I would be more educated on this I would hope if it applied to my kid.


    Again, I do not know what is acceptable here but my gut feeling is that a teacher or administrator can't regulary be assigned to one kid for three hours.
    I don't understand what more education you need in order to have an opinion if this were your kid? The question is what is acceptable to you. You put yourself in the shoes of a parent and form an opinion.... you can't do that?

    If you still cannot -- what would your parent opinion (do you think?) and if you didn't have parents, what about friends of yours or other people you may know - what do you think their reaction would be if they did NOT know their child was going to be put in a Lycra bag and found their child t


    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    I disagree. So the other 19 kids loose out on classroom time?
    Of course not... you see teachers commonly have to take care of multiple children at one time, commonly called a "classroom", and if one child is acting up, they need to be able to address and control that child without letting the other 19 children get out of hand or get distracted. This is called "being a teacher". You see, many generations before Lycra bags were invented, happened to teach children in this manner.

    Are you being serious here? Jezus...
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    Re: Parents Angry After School Put Autistic Son in Bag

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    If I had kids nowadays, I would home school them.
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    Re: Parents Angry After School Put Autistic Son in Bag

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I'm not sure what to think. On the surface I'm inclined to freak out and want someone's head.

    OTOH... I recall a documentary I watched once on autism. There was an autistic adult, semi-functional. In her home she had a device of her own design that is hard to describe... it looked like a largeish exercise machine with lots of heavily padded arms. When she felt overwhelmed or like she was going to lose control, she'd get in the machine and pull the levers, and the padded arms would close around her, kind of squeezing her slightly. She could get out on her own by pulling the lever anytime, but she said that being squeezed lightly and feeling as if she could not move somehow had a strong calming effect on her and helped her keep it together.



    Seems to me that this is something they should have discussed with the parents in more detail, before it became an issue. Also, I understand that autism is a spectrum disorder and not all autistic persons respond in the same manner to various treatments like sensory deprivation or movement deprivation.

    If I'd never heard of "bagging" an autistic person before and came upon that scene, I'd of freaked out and likely done someone some harm. Communication issues here at the least...
    You are thinking of Temple Grandin, I believe. Cool lady. She sent my family blueprints to the same device you are discussing, for my brother.
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    Re: Parents Angry After School Put Autistic Son in Bag

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Of course not... you see teachers commonly have to take care of multiple children at one time, commonly called a "classroom", and if one child is acting up, they need to be able to address and control that child without letting the other 19 children get out of hand or get distracted. This is called "being a teacher". You see, many generations before Lycra bags were invented, happened to teach children in this manner.
    You haven't actually taught, especially special ed, have you?
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    Re: Parents Angry After School Put Autistic Son in Bag

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    I don't understand what more education you need in order to have an opinion if this were your kid? The question is what is acceptable to you. You put yourself in the shoes of a parent and form an opinion.... you can't do that?
    Are you speaking about this particular instance or the idea of the bag therapy in general? It read to me like you were stating that keeping him in a "lycra" bag until you got there was not acceptable. In that it seems that maybe, perhaps this sort of thing is an accepted therapy, I would need to be far more educated on the subject before making a statement. Is 20 minutes acceptable, what is acceptable? Until the child calms down? I would need to know how my kid normally reacts. Off the cuff I wouldn't think it should take three hours but I also believe the acceptable therapy would have been discussed with the school.

    If you still cannot -- what would your parent opinion (do you think?) and if you didn't have parents, what about friends of yours or other people you may know - what do you think their reaction would be if they did NOT know their child was going to be put in a Lycra bag and found their child t
    Posting error I'm guessing but I know that when I was a kid and got swatted at school (only happened twice) that I never told my parents. No way was I going to get it again when I got home. I find it odd that we have so many kids with problems today that I simply do not recall at all when I was in school.

    Of course not... you see teachers commonly have to take care of multiple children at one time, commonly called a "classroom", and if one child is acting up, they need to be able to address and control that child without letting the other 19 children get out of hand or get distracted. This is called "being a teacher". You see, many generations before Lycra bags were invented, happened to teach children in this manner.

    Are you being serious here? Jezus...
    I'm assuming you've never seen an autistic kid act up.

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    Re: Parents Angry After School Put Autistic Son in Bag

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    T Should a teacher have to take an hour out of the days schedule to watch this one kid until you get there?
    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Absolutely - the teacher is responsible for that child while he/she is at school.
    No, a lone teacher in a classroom full of kids shouldn't have to attempt to subdue an out of control child for an hour until the parent gets there. The child should be taken immediately out of the classroom so the other kids can learn.


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    Re: Parents Angry After School Put Autistic Son in Bag

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    I don't understand what more education you need in order to have an opinion if this were your kid? The question is what is acceptable to you. You put yourself in the shoes of a parent and form an opinion.... you can't do that?

    If you still cannot -- what would your parent opinion (do you think?) and if you didn't have parents, what about friends of yours or other people you may know - what do you think their reaction would be if they did NOT know their child was going to be put in a Lycra bag and found their child t


    Of course not... you see teachers commonly have to take care of multiple children at one time, commonly called a "classroom", and if one child is acting up, they need to be able to address and control that child without letting the other 19 children get out of hand or get distracted. This is called "being a teacher". You see, many generations before Lycra bags were invented, happened to teach children in this manner.

    Are you being serious here? Jezus...
    We have seen that bag therapy does exist in professional circles. What I do not see in your post is a solution for what may be an out-of-control special needs child that the school is obligated to provide. Do you have one ?

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    Re: Parents Angry After School Put Autistic Son in Bag

    People have not gathered enough info. "OMG, that kid's in a BAG!!!" No, it's not just "a bag," but a special bag used in a certain type of therapy, AND the mother seems to have understood the therapy. Cut the hype.

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    Re: Parents Angry After School Put Autistic Son in Bag

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    People have not gathered enough info. "OMG, that kid's in a BAG!!!" No, it's not just "a bag," but a special bag used in a certain type of therapy, AND the mother seems to have understood the therapy. Cut the hype.
    Even though I've never seen something like that before, I have to agree. If it's a professional therapy device and the parents were aware of it, I don't see the problem.


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