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    Re: Parents Angry After School Put Autistic Son in Bag

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    Even if this bag were the "proper" lycra one, or whatever, as a parent, I want to know that putting my kid in this bag is or is not an option for the teachers. In other words, I don't want to show up to school surprised to find my kid in a bag, even the lycra bag. That's the issue, here. As a parent, I should be able to tell the teachers, no, don't put my kid in a bag, just call me, and I'll come get him.

    We talk about teachers be ill equipped to deal with these sorts of things. Um. What if, as a private sector worker, I told my boss I was ill equipped to do my job? What would happen, do you think? I mean, they have special education teachers...these are the so called pros for this sort of thing. And they resorted to putting that kind into, as described by the article, a gym bag? Sorry, but seeing as getting a refund for these obviously unwanted "services" is not in the cards for the parents, then, you're god damn right some heads should roll.
    Right - so the question becomes: When is it okay to put your 9 year old child into a Lycra bag by a grade school teacher or administrator, without your knowledge and approval?

    The right answer should be "It's never okay." Hell, I don't even have kids and I know that bloody much.
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    Re: Parents Angry After School Put Autistic Son in Bag

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    Even if this bag were the "proper" lycra one, or whatever, as a parent, I want to know that putting my kid in this bag is or is not an option for the teachers. In other words, I don't want to show up to school surprised to find my kid in a bag, even the lycra bag. That's the issue, here. As a parent, I should be able to tell the teachers, no, don't put my kid in a bag, just call me, and I'll come get him.
    The parent just based upon the article doesn't seem to have a problem with the lycra bags. As a general statement, sure you would want to know. It's great that you could just come get him also but what about those who can't? Or that might take an hour to get there? Should a teacher have to take an hour out of the days schedule to watch this one kid until you get there?

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    Re: Parents Angry After School Put Autistic Son in Bag

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I'm not sure what to think. On the surface I'm inclined to freak out and want someone's head.

    OTOH... I recall a documentary I watched once on autism. There was an autistic adult, semi-functional. In her home she had a device of her own design that is hard to describe... it looked like a largeish exercise machine with lots of heavily padded arms. When she felt overwhelmed or like she was going to lose control, she'd get in the machine and pull the levers, and the padded arms would close around her, kind of squeezing her slightly. She could get out on her own by pulling the lever anytime, but she said that being squeezed lightly and feeling as if she could not move somehow had a strong calming effect on her and helped her keep it together.
    It was this lady. She went on to get her PhD, btw.

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    Re: Parents Angry After School Put Autistic Son in Bag

    If I had kids nowadays, I would home school them.

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    Re: Parents Angry After School Put Autistic Son in Bag

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    The parent just based upon the article doesn't seem to have a problem with the lycra bags. As a general statement, sure you would want to know. It's great that you could just come get him also but what about those who can't?
    I guess if the parent can't come and get them, the kids stays in the lyrcra bag. Is that okay if it were your 9 year old and you couldn't come get him?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Or that might take an hour to get there?
    It may take 3 hours... so the kid should stay in the bag in your opinion?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Should a teacher have to take an hour out of the days schedule to watch this one kid until you get there?
    Absolutely - the teacher is responsible for that child while he/she is at school.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Parents Angry After School Put Autistic Son in Bag



    My son is autistic and if a school ever did this to him, the teacher who did this would be meeting my lawyer as well as my fist.

    There is NO EXCUSE for this kind of ignorant approach to special needs children in the modern world. They are not animals that you can do whatever you want with. They are real people.

    This story INFURIATES me!

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    Re: Parents Angry After School Put Autistic Son in Bag

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    The parent just based upon the article doesn't seem to have a problem with the lycra bags. As a general statement, sure you would want to know. It's great that you could just come get him also but what about those who can't? Or that might take an hour to get there? Should a teacher have to take an hour out of the days schedule to watch this one kid until you get there?
    Removing a disruption from a classroom is not hard. Teachers all over America do it without putting children in bags. If you're just playing devil's advocate I understand, but if you're seriously trying to defend this approach then you're just out to lunch. A child isn't an animal. You don't just cage them when you can't deal with them.

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    Re: Parents Angry After School Put Autistic Son in Bag

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    I guess if the parent can't come and get them, the kids stays in the lyrcra bag. Is that okay if it were your 9 year old and you couldn't come get him?
    I don't know. I would be more educated on this I would hope if it applied to my kid.

    It may take 3 hours... so the kid should stay in the bag in your opinion?
    Again, I do not know what is acceptable here but my gut feeling is that a teacher or administrator can't regulary be assigned to one kid for three hours.

    Absolutely - the teacher is responsible for that child while he/she is at school.
    I disagree. So the other 19 kids loose out on classroom time?

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    Re: Parents Angry After School Put Autistic Son in Bag

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    Even if this bag were the "proper" lycra one, or whatever, as a parent, I want to know that putting my kid in this bag is or is not an option for the teachers. In other words, I don't want to show up to school surprised to find my kid in a bag, even the lycra bag. That's the issue, here. As a parent, I should be able to tell the teachers, no, don't put my kid in a bag, just call me, and I'll come get him.

    We talk about teachers be ill equipped to deal with these sorts of things. Um. What if, as a private sector worker, I told my boss I was ill equipped to do my job? What would happen, do you think? I mean, they have special education teachers...these are the so called pros for this sort of thing. And they resorted to putting that kind into, as described by the article, a gym bag? Sorry, but seeing as getting a refund for these obviously unwanted "services" is not in the cards for the parents, then, you're god damn right some heads should roll.
    Except that the school may need to restrain the child before you can get there, which with some parents could take more than an hour. We also do not know if such information is available for the parent to have known, and just failed to read. I think that any notion that the parent has to approve first fails, for by choosing a school for your child, you agree to the policies of the school in how it disciplines, providing it is within the law. There is no accomodation that a parent can leave a chlld, but then dictate that if the child is unruly, or out of control, the only option is to "call me"

    We also have no indiction that the article was objective in how it presented the information..

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    Re: Parents Angry After School Put Autistic Son in Bag

    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post
    Removing a disruption from a classroom is not hard. Teachers all over America do it without putting children in bags. If you're just playing devil's advocate I understand, but if you're seriously trying to defend this approach then you're just out to lunch. A child isn't an animal. You don't just cage them when you can't deal with them.
    The parent seems to acknowledge (for a lack of a better word) that the "bag therapy" is an acceptable practice. I can understand the concept.

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