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    Re: Parents Angry After School Put Autistic Son in Bag

    Oh, excuse me, but the post to which I responded was one in which another offered to put somebody "out of her misery" by posting a link to one study and then dismissively said, "Let's not have any more nonsense about ADHD being overdiagnosed" as if ONE study proves anything. It does not, meta or smaller.

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    Re: Parents Angry After School Put Autistic Son in Bag

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Oh, excuse me, but the post to which I responded was one in which another offered to put somebody "out of her misery" by posting a link to one study and then dismissively said, "Let's not have any more nonsense about ADHD being overdiagnosed" as if ONE study proves anything. It does not, meta or smaller.
    Yes, a meta-study is very strong evidence. You have offered no evidence to counter it. That's pretty much where things stand.
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    Re: Parents Angry After School Put Autistic Son in Bag

    Then I must defer to your scholarly expertise. But please do read this:

    Meta Analysis and Meta Studies

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    Re: Parents Angry After School Put Autistic Son in Bag

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    Oh... you don't havea trail of bodies in your past due to people messing with your kids. We are very different parents, apparently.
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    Re: Parents Angry After School Put Autistic Son in Bag

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post

    Absolutely - the teacher is responsible for that child while he/she is at school.
    And, in the meantime, what about the other 20-30+ kids? (I know I'm late to this thread, so apologies if it's already been addressed). I'm not defending this, I don't know enough about it, but I can't help but to feel sorry for teachers. One especially disruptive kid takes focus and attention away from other kids who may need it as well but are just quiter about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Then don't make the claims.

    Here, I'll put you out of your misery, with scientific evidence that ADHD is NOT overdiagnosed:
    Evaluating the evidence for and against the o... [J Atten Disord. 2007] - PubMed - NCBI
    There. Let's not have any more nonsense about ADHD being overdiagnosed.
    I'm too lazy to go find you autism data, but you get the picture.
    So certain are you. Hmmm...well...I suppose they got it all figured out AFTER August 2011...

    "ADHD is the most extensively studied pediatric mental health disorder, yet controversy and public debate over the diagnosis and medication treatment of the disorder continue to exist.1 Questions and concerns are raised by professionals, media commentators, and the public about the possibility of overdiagnosis of ADHD in youths and the possibility of overprescribing stimulant medications"

    "The evaluation process is essentially a time-consuming cognitive endeavor of pattern matching the patient’s symptoms and disease course with what is known about the natural history of ADHD and hypothesis testing and integrating all available data. This systematic evaluation establishes that all clinical criteria for an ADHD diagnosis are met. Faced with severe payer and clinical time constraints, many physicians diagnose ADHD by emphasizing a present oriented, cross-sectional symptom evaluation. This type of evaluation may result in overdiagnosing ADHD, or underidentifying ADHD in children with complex and comorbid presentations"

    But then...what would Dr Daniel Connor, the Lockean Distinguished Professor of Psychiatry and Chief, Division of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry at the University of Connecticut School of Medicine know....

    Problems of Overdiagnosis and Overprescribing in ADHD - Psychiatric Times

    Anyone that speaks in absolutes about such things...well...all we know for sure is THEIR mind is made up, regardless of whether or not the science can prove ANYTHING.

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    Re: Parents Angry After School Put Autistic Son in Bag

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    So certain are you. Hmmm...well...I suppose they got it all figured out AFTER August 2011...

    "ADHD is the most extensively studied pediatric mental health disorder, yet controversy and public debate over the diagnosis and medication treatment of the disorder continue to exist.1 Questions and concerns are raised by professionals, media commentators, and the public about the possibility of overdiagnosis of ADHD in youths and the possibility of overprescribing stimulant medications"

    "The evaluation process is essentially a time-consuming cognitive endeavor of pattern matching the patientís symptoms and disease course with what is known about the natural history of ADHD and hypothesis testing and integrating all available data. This systematic evaluation establishes that all clinical criteria for an ADHD diagnosis are met. Faced with severe payer and clinical time constraints, many physicians diagnose ADHD by emphasizing a present oriented, cross-sectional symptom evaluation. This type of evaluation may result in overdiagnosing ADHD, or underidentifying ADHD in children with complex and comorbid presentations"

    But then...what would Dr Daniel Connor, the Lockean Distinguished Professor of Psychiatry and Chief, Division of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry at the University of Connecticut School of Medicine know....

    Problems of Overdiagnosis and Overprescribing in ADHD - Psychiatric Times

    Anyone that speaks in absolutes about such things...well...all we know for sure is THEIR mind is made up, regardless of whether or not the science can prove ANYTHING.
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    Re: Parents Angry After School Put Autistic Son in Bag

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Then I must defer to your scholarly expertise. But please do read this:

    Meta Analysis and Meta Studies
    A metastudy beats absolutely nothing.
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    Re: Parents Angry After School Put Autistic Son in Bag

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    So certain are you. Hmmm...well...I suppose they got it all figured out AFTER August 2011...

    "ADHD is the most extensively studied pediatric mental health disorder, yet controversy and public debate over the diagnosis and medication treatment of the disorder continue to exist.1 Questions and concerns are raised by professionals, media commentators, and the public about the possibility of overdiagnosis of ADHD in youths and the possibility of overprescribing stimulant medications"

    "The evaluation process is essentially a time-consuming cognitive endeavor of pattern matching the patient’s symptoms and disease course with what is known about the natural history of ADHD and hypothesis testing and integrating all available data. This systematic evaluation establishes that all clinical criteria for an ADHD diagnosis are met. Faced with severe payer and clinical time constraints, many physicians diagnose ADHD by emphasizing a present oriented, cross-sectional symptom evaluation. This type of evaluation may result in overdiagnosing ADHD, or underidentifying ADHD in children with complex and comorbid presentations"

    But then...what would Dr Daniel Connor, the Lockean Distinguished Professor of Psychiatry and Chief, Division of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry at the University of Connecticut School of Medicine know....

    Problems of Overdiagnosis and Overprescribing in ADHD - Psychiatric Times

    Anyone that speaks in absolutes about such things...well...all we know for sure is THEIR mind is made up, regardless of whether or not the science can prove ANYTHING.
    Did you actually read this link? Because it supports my view too.

    The quotes simply state the fact that a controversy, driven mostly by a confused public and not medical expertise, exists. If you read to the end, you'd find that the author has accepted from the get-go the legitimacy of ADHD diagnoses in general and that it is probably not significantly overdiagnosed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    And, in the meantime, what about the other 20-30+ kids? (I know I'm late to this thread, so apologies if it's already been addressed). I'm not defending this, I don't know enough about it, but I can't help but to feel sorry for teachers. One especially disruptive kid takes focus and attention away from other kids who may need it as well but are just quiter about it.
    Teachers do, or should, get appropriate assistance in that case, such as a teacher's aide or other supports.
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