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    Re: Parents Angry After School Put Autistic Son in Bag

    Quote Originally Posted by mbig View Post
    All the best with making his life as full as possible!

    There are indeed an increasing amount of children with special needs, especially the increasing and alarming rate of autism.

    So to meet those needs, you would, of course, be in Favor of Increased Taxes for everyone (Local, State, and/or Federal) to pay for said increased needs.
    Or .... would you take the position more consistent with your previous ones... that YOU personally should have to pay for your own child's problem (that say <1% of children have) and bear such costs yourself. Why do schools/other-taxpayers owe you esoteric 'special' treatment?

    always interesting to see how 'rugged' individualists/libertarians etc, feel when it's their entitlement on the line.


    autism is becoming like adhd, the disease of the month. it's over diagnosed and misdiagnosed.

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    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Parents Angry After School Put Autistic Son in Bag

    I don't know what new details we have on this scenario.

    My understanding is that the bag, I think, was a "lycra(?)" bag used especially for the treatment of autistic children, and that the student's own mother knew of and, I think, approved of the use of that bag.

    If this is the case, then I think this issue has resolved.

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    Re: Parents Angry After School Put Autistic Son in Bag

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Actually patience is my thing... I find it is the easiest 97% of the time if not more if for no other reason than to not let others understand or know what you might do or plan. Patience is working well and burying my ex wife and partner in the Court process right now and it is great.
    Patience is still being married.
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    Re: Parents Angry After School Put Autistic Son in Bag

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    autism is becoming like adhd, the disease of the month. it's over diagnosed and misdiagnosed.
    Please provide scientific evidence that autism and adhd are overdiagnosed.
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    Re: Parents Angry After School Put Autistic Son in Bag

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Please provide scientific evidence that autism and adhd are overdiagnosed.
    i can provide articles, not necessarily scientific evidence. i believe, as do many, that people have a need to lable anything they view as normal, and also to blame their children's bad behavior on a disorder, like adhd (wildly overdiagnosed) and autism. it's undoubtedly true that people have these disorders, but autism used to be narrowly defined, and now the definition is sufficently vague that kids are over diagnosed. and adhd? too many kids are being put on medication that don't need to be. a sympton of parents taking the easy way out.

    The Autism Generation - Allen Frances - Project Syndicate

    Psychiatric Fads and Overdiagnosis | Psychology Today

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    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Parents Angry After School Put Autistic Son in Bag

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    i can provide articles, not necessarily scientific evidence.
    Then don't make the claims.

    Here, I'll put you out of your misery, with scientific evidence that ADHD is NOT overdiagnosed:

    J Atten Disord. 2007 Sep;11(2):106-13.

    Evaluating the evidence for and against the overdiagnosis of ADHD.

    Sciutto MJ, Eisenberg M.


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    Muhlenberg College, Allentwon, Pennsylvania 18104, USA. sciutto@muhlenberg.edu


    Abstract

    OBJECTIVE:

    According to the DSM-IV TR, approximately 3 to 7% of school-age children meet the criteria for ADHD. However, there is a common conception that ADHD is overdiagnosed. The purpose of this article is to evaluate the evidence for and against overdiagnosis.

    METHOD:

    Recent prevalence studies and research on factors affecting diagnostic accuracy were reviewed. For ADHD to be overdiagnosed, the rate of false positives (i.e., children inappropriately diagnosed with ADHD) must substantially exceed the number of false negatives (children with ADHD who are not identified or diagnosed).

    RESULTS AND CONCLUSION:

    Based on the review of prevalence studies and research on the diagnostic process, there does not appear to be sufficient justification for the conclusion that ADHD is systematically overdiagnosed. Yet, this conclusion is generally not reflected in public perceptions or media coverage of ADHD. Potential explanations for the persistence of the belief in the overdiagnosis of ADHD are offered.
    Evaluating the evidence for and against the o... [J Atten Disord. 2007] - PubMed - NCBI

    There. Let's not have any more nonsense about ADHD being overdiagnosed.

    I'm too lazy to go find you autism data, but you get the picture.
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    Re: Parents Angry After School Put Autistic Son in Bag

    One study or article does not a case make. Sciutto and Eisenberg's conclusions are suggestive but not definitive.

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    Re: Parents Angry After School Put Autistic Son in Bag

    If you want to argue over ADD/ADHD, with someone who has it and has studied it, you may want to start a thread about it.

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    Re: Parents Angry After School Put Autistic Son in Bag

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    One study or article does not a case make. Sciutto and Eisenberg's conclusions are suggestive but not definitive.
    You realize that their conclusions were a meta-study, meaning they looked at lots of studies, instead of just one, right? So, yeah, I agree.

    If you have conflicting evidence, post it. Otherwise, I've posted actual scientific data supporting my claim.
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    Re: Parents Angry After School Put Autistic Son in Bag

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    She didn't know they were putting him in the bag - I think her lack of knowledge is another issue being highlighted: parents don't ask enough questions when it comes to their children and how they're being cared for when they're not around . . . according to her in the article she sort of knew they used a bag as part of punishment and just assumed he rolled around on the bag like a sensory-stimulus to refocus him mentally.

    I think she's stupid - if someone told me 'we used a bag when your son acted out.' I'd immediately ask "what do you mean, how did you use it?"

    I'm not only taken aback at their treatment of children - but at the aprents and their overwhelming lack of knowledge and involvement.

    Geesh - just wow people.
    Yeah, that was the point I was trying to make before when I posted in the thread.

    Perhaps these schools dealing with autistic kids need to have some kind of rule in which they demonstrate such things to parents before enrollment. I mean for all we know the school may not have told the parents that they use bags at all. And, a lot of the times, I think it may be that a lot of the time people don't even know what questions are relevant to ask.

    That's happened to me a lot of the time - I'm curious about a subject but I don't even know what things are pertinent enough to ask about.
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