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    Re: Parents Angry After School Put Autistic Son in Bag

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    Well I tell you this: forget all this shrink crap and how it calms someone down cause they may feel as if they were in the womb or whatever bull**** babble they are calling it: kids should not be placed in bags. Period. Folks can quote any all bs about this working and I call it degrading as hell and abuse at most!

    Reminds me of blanket training babies and wrapping children up in blankets and then beating them! How the hell would you feel if someone tossed YOU in a garbage bag or ANY kind of bag to sooth you? Hell no. There are better ways and this bag therapy is crap. And degrading and insulting and wrong wrong wrong. You do not place humans in bags to calm them down. esp ones that cover the head.
    Well garbage bags are out because of the chance of suffocation, as is beating.

    However, if my perceptions were such that being placed in a bag were comforting, than it would be ok. What is good and bad in these situations is entirely based on preference and perception

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    Re: Parents Angry After School Put Autistic Son in Bag

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    Re: Parents Angry After School Put Autistic Son in Bag

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    If I had kids and someone did that to my child? I would go crazy and kill some folks. Just wrong
    Someone didn't read through the thread.
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    Re: Parents Angry After School Put Autistic Son in Bag

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    Mock all you want but if/when I ever have kids? I will be worse than a mamabear. Nobody gonna mess with mine and if they do? They best be ready to die.
    Having kids is alot more complicated than that.
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    Re: Parents Angry After School Put Autistic Son in Bag

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    Yes. It reminded me of this show I saw where extreme parents would wrap their kids in a blanket and beat them. The parents were fundies and thought it was fine. So yeah it made me think of that as it is all abuse.

    BTW. Yes. If ABUSE works? It is still B.S.
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    Temple Grandin invented this. She has autism herself. She used it on herself.

    This is a little more complicated an issue than you realize. You should read through the thread.
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    Re: Parents Angry After School Put Autistic Son in Bag

    The owner of the place I used to work had an autistic child. He would bring him with him on occasion when he would come in and check on things. One day this child started acting up. I guess he was around 10-11 at the time. The owner basically put him in a huge bear hug and pinned him against himself. The guy was a pretty big guy and I was a bit shocked.

    He came to me afterwards and explained that it was the best way to calm him down. I imagine if I had walked into a school and saw a teacher doing this to a kid I would have been quite shocked also and might even have intervened. My intitial reaction was and would have been wrong based upon ignorance of the situation.

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    Re: Parents Angry After School Put Autistic Son in Bag

    No Perry - that is one method that is taught to parents. I would not consider it unacceptable, shocking or abusive if someone did that. Like I said before - there are acceptable methods of actually calming down a child who is out of control.

    Tying them up in a canvas gym bag is not one of them.

    The only time the bag thing would be remotely acceptable is if the parents initiated it not as a punishment - and it was done in a certain way and with certain considerations . . . . like how Frolicking Dinosaurs explained - and what she brought up, the child wasn't fully contained either.

    I still, personally, would not do it. . . .but I wouldn't' consider it abusive if parents did it with calm care, caution, a watchful eye and knowledge.

    And in this OP case: the parents didn't initiate or suggest this - the school did it all on their own . . . no matter what, without parental permission explicitly given NOTHING is permitted to be done that wasn't detailed in in the school rules.

    None of that is present here in this OP case - all I see is endangerment, carelessness, neglect - from the school and even from teh parents who aren't inquiring about the school's responses to their children.
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    Re: Parents Angry After School Put Autistic Son in Bag

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    No Perry - that is one method that is taught to parents. I would not consider it unacceptable, shocking or abusive if someone did that. Like I said before - there are acceptable methods of actually calming down a child who is out of control.
    But it was shocking to me. That has been my point all along. How many were intially shocked to read about a kid being placed in a bag? Putting aside that the school very well may not have used what is generally accepted, how many would have been shocked by the idea of putting a kid in a bag at all?

    Tying them up in a canvas gym bag is not one of them.

    The only time the bag thing would be remotely acceptable is if the parents initiated it not as a punishment - and it was done in a certain way and with certain considerations . . . . like how Frolicking Dinosaurs explained - and what she brought up, the child wasn't fully contained either.
    So since we have agreed that this wasn't quite as shocking as it initially appeared, has anyone's shock dissapaited any?

    I still, personally, would not do it. . . .but I wouldn't' consider it abusive if parents did it with calm care, caution, a watchful eye and knowledge.
    Which we do not know wasn't done here.

    And in this OP case: the parents didn't initiate or suggest this - the school did it all on their own . . . no matter what, without parental permission explicitly given NOTHING is permitted to be done that wasn't detailed in in the school rules.
    IF, I had a kid beating his head against the wall and I was told that this was the only way they could stop him from either hurting himself or someone else, and knowing how autism affects him, I might be greatful.

    None of that is present here in this OP case - all I see is endangerment, carelessness, neglect - from the school and even from teh parents who aren't inquiring about the school's responses to their children.
    It's a brief recap from one side. It's why more than a couple have noted that they would need far more information to make a judgement.

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    Re: Parents Angry After School Put Autistic Son in Bag

    Shock shock shock - why is this your focus? My response is not solely one of initial shock - give a little bit of time and it fades. . . who on earth lets their feelings about maltreatment of children FADE over time? You're reading the "I'd likely lose my temper and get violent if I walked into that situation" as if that's my only response or view on this situation.

    Other than imagining how I'd respond if it happened to me - my response is one of "what is and what is not acceptable" to do in regard to punishing or containing a child who is out of control. . . period.

    I'm still offended and insulted that they felt it was appropriate.
    I'm still surprised that the parents didn't fully 'know' what was going on because they didn't ask any questions.

    My response isn't a knee-jerk emotional reaction that will quell. I will feel the same 20 years from now - it will not abate. I considered this to be abusive and worthy of a serious investigation into the school district and their admitted maltreatment and neglect of special needs children and just children in general and I hope this serves as an eye opening event to ALL parents who blindly trust the school and make assumption about the care their children are receiving.
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    Re: Parents Angry After School Put Autistic Son in Bag

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Shock shock shock - why is this your focus?
    Sorry, I didn't realize I wasn't allowed to pursue an avenue of discussion you weren't interested in.

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