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    Re: Parents Angry After School Put Autistic Son in Bag

    The bag is a common deterrent used in the juvenile justice system. It is preciely the WRONG approach with autistic children. I have had to physically remove police, hospital security, and nurses from rooms while they were force restraining autistic children. One instance the doctors claimed he just freaked out and was 'hissing'. He wasnt hissing...he was saying 'yes' 'yes' and trying to communicate with them. Give the kid a few feet and allow him top feel in control of himself and at least a little corner of the world and he calmed right down. A lot of people dont know how to deal with autisitc children and believe that by God asserting their authority will bring about compliance. Its not that hard.

    I dont know if this school has a policy for specifically dealing with autistic children that are out of control (and they can get out of control). Any parent might be appaled that their child would be in such a restraint. In SOME instances it is a more humane option. Beats the hell out of the kid harming someone else or running their head into a wall. Thats just a reality. Guess I would like to know more about the situation before I jumped to judgement on it.

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    Re: Parents Angry After School Put Autistic Son in Bag

    I grew up in Mass and we don't have these problems. First off, we had special education for autistic people. For the severely autistic, we had programs. For example, my uncle of 50 years is autistic and didn't go to pubic school. He went to Mercy Center where he worked and earned a paycheck (a measly one, but it gave him a sense of purpose).

    However, we are dealing with Kentucky which is one of the most backwards states. Why are autistic children who bounce off the walls allowed in the classroom is beyond me. I have much sypathy for autistic people since my uncle is one of the most kindest and gentle people that you will ever know. However, if you child is bouncing off the walls in a public classroom, then you need to take him out of the classroom.

    However, taking him out of the classroom and tying him up into a duffle bag does not seem to be a valid solution. No matter how therapeutic it is, it is infuriating. I don't have children, but I would be ****ing pissed if I walked into my school and saw my child tied up in a duffle bag. That is just wrong.
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    Re: Parents Angry After School Put Autistic Son in Bag

    Quote Originally Posted by Antiderivative View Post
    I grew up in Mass and we don't have these problems. First off, we had special education for autistic people. For the severely autistic, we had programs. For example, my uncle of 50 years is autistic and didn't go to pubic school. He went to Mercy Center where he worked and earned a paycheck (a measly one, but it gave him a sense of purpose).

    However, we are dealing with Kentucky which is one of the most backwards states. Why are autistic children who bounce off the walls allowed in the classroom is beyond me. I have much sypathy for autistic people since my uncle is one of the most kindest and gentle people that you will ever know. However, if you child is bouncing off the walls in a public classroom, then you need to take him out of the classroom.
    You don't know what you're talking about. Your uncle is way too old to be an example of modern education. If your uncle went to school in Mass today, he'd likely go to public school.
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    Re: Parents Angry After School Put Autistic Son in Bag

    Quote Originally Posted by Antiderivative View Post
    I grew up in Mass and we don't have these problems. First off, we had special education for autistic people. For the severely autistic, we had programs. For example, my uncle of 50 years is autistic and didn't go to pubic school. He went to Mercy Center where he worked and earned a paycheck (a measly one, but it gave him a sense of purpose).

    However, we are dealing with Kentucky which is one of the most backwards states. Why are autistic children who bounce off the walls allowed in the classroom is beyond me. I have much sypathy for autistic people since my uncle is one of the most kindest and gentle people that you will ever know. However, if you child is bouncing off the walls in a public classroom, then you need to take him out of the classroom.

    However, taking him out of the classroom and tying him up into a duffle bag does not seem to be a valid solution. No matter how therapeutic it is, it is infuriating. I don't have children, but I would be ****ing pissed if I walked into my school and saw my child tied up in a duffle bag. That is just wrong.
    A lot of states dont have budgets to maintain effective special ed classes...many parents object to having their autistic children in special ed classes because they feel like they get less effective socializing skills, are dumped into programs, or just arent helped. In many cases they are right. Lots of different levels of autism...sounds like this particular student was a reasonably high functioning autistic child that may have just skipped a groove.

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    Re: Parents Angry After School Put Autistic Son in Bag

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    You don't know what you're talking about. Your uncle is way too old to be an example of modern education. If your uncle went to school in Mass today, he'd likely go to public school.
    I would appreciate it if you stop lying. My uncle would not be admitted to a public school without specific requirements.

    I never used my uncle as an example of modern education, so I would appreciate it if you stop lying.

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    Re: Parents Angry After School Put Autistic Son in Bag

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    A lot of states dont have budgets to maintain effective special ed classes...many parents object to having their autistic children in special ed classes because they feel like they get less effective socializing skills, are dumped into programs, or just arent helped. In many cases they are right. Lots of different levels of autism...sounds like this particular student was a reasonably high functioning autistic child that may have just skipped a groove.
    A reasonably functional autistic child should not be tied up in a bag. My uncle of 50 years has never been tied up in a duffle bag and doesn't need to be and we are talking about sever autism.
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    Re: Parents Angry After School Put Autistic Son in Bag

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Federal laws necessitate an appropriate learning environment for children as a part of the IEP process for special needs kids. So that part of your concern is already addressed.
    Teaching and dealing with problems of kids with rare disorders are two different things.
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    Re: Parents Angry After School Put Autistic Son in Bag

    Quote Originally Posted by Antiderivative View Post
    My uncle would not be admitted to a public school without specific requirements.
    Your uncle would have a legal right to be admitted to a public school today.

    I never used my uncle as an example of modern education,
    Then don't bring him up in a discussion about one.
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    Re: Parents Angry After School Put Autistic Son in Bag

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Teaching and dealing with problems of kids with rare disorders are two different things.
    A meaningless distinction in this context.
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    Re: Parents Angry After School Put Autistic Son in Bag

    Quote Originally Posted by Antiderivative View Post
    A reasonably functional autistic child should not be tied up in a bag. My uncle of 50 years has never been tied up in a duffle bag and doesn't need to be and we are talking about sever autism.
    You obviously arent getting the intent of the bag. It isnt used for autistic kids...it is used for out of control raging type kids, autistic or otherwise.

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