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    Re: Parents Angry After School Put Autistic Son in Bag

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    glad you pointed to the 20th century methodology, when those kids were not mainstreamed
    that is the period in time when our public schools were well performing institutions
    And people like my brother were shoved into separate schools that stunted their growth. He was the first person in the state to get mainstreamed, and I could tell you, with the right staff (and God knows, we had some fantastic staff and support), this kid (now 23) has far outshined expecations. We were told to put him in an institution for the rest of his life, and now the guy has the ability (through struggle) to go to community college.

    Despite the bitching and moaning against mainstreaming, it was here to stay, and few have complained since. The only ones that seem to complain are people like you.
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    Re: Parents Angry After School Put Autistic Son in Bag

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    And people like my brother were shoved into separate schools that stunted their growth. He was the first person in the state to get mainstreamed, and I could tell you, with the right staff (and God knows, we had some fantastic staff and support), this kid (now 23) has far outshined expecations. We were told to put him in an institution for the rest of his life, and now the guy has the ability (through struggle) to go to community college.

    Despite the bitching and moaning against mainstreaming, it was here to stay, and few have complained. The only ones that seem to complain are people like you.
    i complain because of the way it afflicts the students who should not be deprived of a good education
    kids with problems need/deserve help
    just not at the expense of other kids
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    Re: Parents Angry After School Put Autistic Son in Bag

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    i complain because of the way it afflicts the students who should not be deprived of a good education
    kids with problems need/deserve help
    just not at the expense of other kids
    Just not with the other kids, right? It's also good to know you blame the status of the education system, at least in part, because of mainstreaming. Shameful.
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    Re: Parents Angry After School Put Autistic Son in Bag

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Just not with the other kids, right?
    if, like the other kids, they can not be disruptive, then their presence is not an impediment

    It's also good to know you blame the status of the education system, at least in part, because of mainstreaming.
    while all of the problems of the current public education system are not the result of inappropriate mainstreaming efforts, certainly that has been one substantial factor in the demise of the public school accomplishments
    students who require one-on-one learning take important/valuable teaching time away from the other students whose learning opportunity is diminished only because the teacher is consistently preoccupied with the slowest learner in the class

    Shameful.
    tragic would be a better term. that we have allowed generations of kids to receive an inadequate education in a competitive society, only because of an experiment which has only indicated negative results
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    Re: Parents Angry After School Put Autistic Son in Bag

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    tragic would be a better term. that we have allowed generations of kids to receive an inadequate education in a competitive society, only because of an experiment which has only indicated negative results
    That could just as well be a statement about racial integration of schools.
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    Re: Parents Angry After School Put Autistic Son in Bag

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    i complain because of the way it afflicts the students who should not be deprived of a good education
    kids with problems need/deserve help
    just not at the expense of other kids
    But you could take that to any extreme. Your kid making Cs might be holding back my really smart kid, so we should get rid of your kid.
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    Re: Parents Angry After School Put Autistic Son in Bag

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    But you could take that to any extreme. Your kid making Cs might be holding back my really smart kid, so we should get rid of your kid.
    we should ability group them

    the very opposite of mainstream thinking

    taking it to an extreme calls for placing kids who need lots of help in classrooms with lots of students and one teacher who can offer little help. kind of like the article cited by the OP
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    Re: Parents Angry After School Put Autistic Son in Bag

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    we should ability group them

    the very opposite of mainstream thinking

    taking it to an extreme calls for placing kids who need lots of help in classrooms with lots of students and one teacher who can offer little help. kind of like the article cited by the OP
    Least restrictive environment: Least Restrictive Environment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    Re: Parents Angry After School Put Autistic Son in Bag

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post

    yes, we diminish the learning opportunity of those who are well behaved to enable the poorly behaved to be in their midst
    makes a lot of sense sarcasm.gif


    this well meaning - but poorly constructed public policy - ended ability grouping
    Obama came to town this year to recognize a principal because of her school's consistent progress
    that principal - of a primarily ESL student body - insists on ability grouping
    her peers, who continue to expect their teachers to teach at the rate of the slowest member of the school room in their own least restrictive schools did not receive such recognition, because those classes do not achieve the same high academic performance

    if we value inclusion above educational attainment, then what you advocate is the way to go

    clearly, we have different aspirations
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    Re: Parents Angry After School Put Autistic Son in Bag

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    we should ability group them
    Says you.

    What we should do is whatever is best for them, which depends on the nature of the disability.
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