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    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Walking into school and seeing a child in a duffel bag is not witnessing abuse. At first glance you do not know why the child is in the bag,if it some part of a play or activity the kids are doing, who put the child in the bag or even if the child put him or herself in a bag.When I was a kid I would hide in toy boxes, laundry hampers and if I had a duffel bag I would have put myself in it.My nieces and nephew do stuff like that.Kids do **** like like that.You are just being totally irrational and making it seem as though it was malice on the school's part when the article describes no malice.Now if the parent walked in and seen the teaching beating the child then that would be witnessing abuse. The fact is the parent failed to provide lycra bag and failed to tell the school and teachers exactly what do when their kid starts acting up or going bonkers or what ever it is when a autistic kid is having a sensory overload. The school at the time may have thought this was better than doing nothing at all.
    The fact is James, you don't know what you're talking about. It is normally okay for someone to say "I dont know much about special education, but I would feel (blank)". However, you are out of your element and you are making claims that in no way resemble reality. The reality is that these are exceptional cases. You hiding in a box or in a tight corner is hardly representative for why, for instance, my brother needed small for corners behind the sectional couch, or a therapeutic plastic tunnel.

    1) There is an entire professional apparatus that is in charge of knowing what a) the student has b) what is necessary to deal with a students' issues and potential outbursts.

    2) in no way are the parents legally responsible to provide the school with the equipment necessary for that student's academic experience when it comes to the special need. The responsibility falls to the state and it's various outlets (the school, vocational rehabilitation, etc.)

    3) That IEP team is supposed to have qualified staff that are able to professionally and ethically serve the student. Mom and Dad are not expected to be psychologists, physical or speech therapists. That is the team's job.
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    Re: Parents Angry After School Put Autistic Son in Bag

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Then the parent should have bought a bag to be used at school.Schools don't pay for a child's medication so why should they pay for a lycra bag?This falls on the parent for not providing the proper tools and or equipment and telling the school in how to exactly deal with the child should that child feel overstimulated. I do not know about you but I have never heard of lycra bag therapy before this thread.At fist when I saw this thread I was like what thats ****ed up they stuck a kid in a bag. But then I read that they stick these kids in lycra bags as a form of therapy. Being someone who improvises when not having the right tools or materials this doesn't sound that sinister sticking a autistic child in a duffel bag assuming they didn't have any lycra bags.
    Federal laws necessitate an appropriate learning environment for children as a part of the IEP process for special needs kids. So that part of your concern is already addressed.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    As far as we know the school probably felt that doing nothing would have resulted in the child getting worse.
    Possibly.
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    Re: Parents Angry After School Put Autistic Son in Bag

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Walking into school and seeing a child in a duffel bag is not witnessing abuse.
    Why isn't it? That would be first and only assumption and thought - it would be HARD for someone to convince me otherwise. Maybe I should be the one my feelings about what's abusive to my children and not you?

    Her son was IN TROUBLE. They called her TO school to come and GET him. It's not like they were on the playground having a good time or something - he was tied up in a bag and in the middle of a hallway waiting for his mom to come and get him.

    They picked up the phone - dialed her number - talked to her -a nd told her to come and get him becaues he was out of control. She arrived: found him holed up in a bag in the middle of a hallway and your response is "oh - maybe they were playing"

    Can you not possible see how this is NOT PLAYTIME?

    Geesh - your stupidity and blatant wishy washiness is ruining my Christmas . . . I'm out of here.

    You've got issues.
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    Re: Parents Angry After School Put Autistic Son in Bag

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Why isn't it? That would be first and only assumption and thought - it would be HARD for someone to convince me otherwise. Maybe I should be the one my feelings about what's abusive to my children and not you?

    Her son was IN TROUBLE. They called her TO school to come and GET him. It's not like they were on the playground having a good time or something - he was tied up in a bag and in the middle of a hallway waiting for his mom to come and get him.

    They picked up the phone - dialed her number - talked to her -a nd told her to come and get him becaues he was out of control. She arrived: found him holed up in a bag in the middle of a hallway and your response is "oh - maybe they were playing"

    Can you not possible see how this is NOT PLAYTIME?

    Geesh - your stupidity and blatant wishy washiness is ruining my Christmas . . . I'm out of here.

    You've got issues.
    If I knew my kid had this and it was explained to me that it was all they could come up with to get him to quit hitting his head on the wall, I very well might be understanding.

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    Re: Parents Angry After School Put Autistic Son in Bag

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Why isn't it? That would be first and only assumption and thought - it would be HARD for someone to convince me otherwise. Maybe I should be the one my feelings about what's abusive to my children and not you?

    Her son was IN TROUBLE. They called her TO school to come and GET him. It's not like they were on the playground having a good time or something - he was tied up in a bag and in the middle of a hallway waiting for his mom to come and get him.

    They picked up the phone - dialed her number - talked to her -a nd told her to come and get him becaues he was out of control. She arrived: found him holed up in a bag in the middle of a hallway and your response is "oh - maybe they were playing"

    Can you not possible see how this is NOT PLAYTIME?

    Geesh - your stupidity and blatant wishy washiness is ruining my Christmas . . . I'm out of here.

    You've got issues.
    You know what's funny, though? None of the articles I can find suggest that child was in any way panicked or stressed when the mother arrived. There is no indication that he was still in the middle of an episode, that he was crying, hyperventilating, or displaying any other behaviors that might suggest that he was under duress at the time of her arrival. As I said before, one absolutely must consider whether or not the methods employed helped or hindered the child. As you are surely aware, the sensory experience for an autistic child is entirely different than a sensory experience for somebody without autism. What we would consider traumatic or abusive for a "normal" child is often pleasant and comforting to an autistic child. Sure, it seems that the bag used was not appropriate in design, but if the means justified the ends, perhaps storming in yelling and screaming and causing a scene would actually create a more stressful/harmful situation for the child, specifically if he has sensory processing issues.
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    Re: Parents Angry After School Put Autistic Son in Bag

    let's examine the father's response:
    “The school shouldn’t be asking Sandra [the student's mom] to do their job,” said her husband. “What if she or I aren’t available? They need to learn how to handle [situations like these]. Right now, they seem like they have no patience for it.”
    he resented the parents being called to address their child's inappropriate behavior

    i have no patience for parents like this. make sure your child is prepared to attend school without being disruptive. otherwise expect to receive lots of calls to have him removed from the premises. ultimately, that request may be for permanent removal. the remaining students' learning opportunity should not be diminished because of this or any other child

    DAD is the one who has inflicted a problem child on the public school system. DAD (and MOM) should be the ones to make sure their kid can behave himself in the school system

    being unable to do that, then THEY need to find the appropriate institution which can assist them in THEIR efforts to get THEIR child under control. quit inflicting others with THEIR problem

    while those comments will probably not be well received by others in this thread who have children with emotional/behavioral and/or learning disabilities, the truth needs to be told and heard
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    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    let's examine the father's response:

    he resented the parents being called to address their child's inappropriate behavior

    i have no patience for parents like this. make sure your child is prepared to attend school without being disruptive. otherwise expect to receive lots of calls to have him removed from the premises. ultimately, that request may be for permanent removal. the remaining students' learning opportunity should not be diminished because of this or any other child

    DAD is the one who has inflicted a problem child on the public school system. DAD (and MOM) should be the ones to make sure their kid can behave himself in the school system

    being unable to do that, then THEY need to find the appropriate institution which can assist them in THEIR efforts to get THEIR child under control. quit inflicting others with THEIR problem

    while those comments will probably not be well received by others in this thread who have children with emotional/behavioral and/or learning disabilities, the truth needs to be told and heard
    Um, no. It is not the "truth." It is your uninformed version of it. How about you use your ears and brain more and your mouth less?
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    Re: Parents Angry After School Put Autistic Son in Bag

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    let's examine the father's response:

    he resented the parents being called to address their child's inappropriate behavior

    i have no patience for parents like this. make sure your child is prepared to attend school without being disruptive. otherwise expect to receive lots of calls to have him removed from the premises. ultimately, that request may be for permanent removal. the remaining students' learning opportunity should not be diminished because of this or any other child

    DAD is the one who has inflicted a problem child on the public school system. DAD (and MOM) should be the ones to make sure their kid can behave himself in the school system

    being unable to do that, then THEY need to find the appropriate institution which can assist them in THEIR efforts to get THEIR child under control. quit inflicting others with THEIR problem

    while those comments will probably not be well received by others in this thread who have children with emotional/behavioral and/or learning disabilities, the truth needs to be told and heard
    My ass, bub.

    Half of the reason why special education had such a difficult go over 50 years ago was because of the automatic assumption of "problem child." That was the exact term used in most of the literature throughout the 20th century when these kids were shoved underneath the education system.

    The child has some control over their behavior, but not always. When my brother was 5-8 years old, he could have quickly turned violent. I did not understand it at the time, but he had no control over it, and my parents did everything they could to make the situation improve (for Christ's sake, why the hell wouldn't they?). In his mind, he thought he was two different people. This child probably acted in a different way than my own brother, yet you would receive a million eye rolls from anyone who knows a lick about what it is like.

    Special education is no picnic for anyone involved (one of the first lessons I learned as a special education student), but let's not shove this on the parents like so many had been tempted to do over the decades for obvious incompetence from the staff.
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    Re: Parents Angry After School Put Autistic Son in Bag

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Um, no. It is not the "truth." It is your uninformed version of it. How about you use your ears and brain more and your mouth less?
    it is the truth. admittedly, one the parents/family of kids with problems would rather not acknowledge
    their children handicap the learning opportunities of the remaining students in a class. students who possess the behavior to behave in a learning environment
    kids with problems need help. that help should not be expected in the environment of a mainstream classroom
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    My ass, bub.

    Half of the reason why special education had such a difficult go over 50 years ago was because of the automatic assumption of "problem child." That was the exact term used in most of the literature throughout the 20th century when these kids were shoved underneath the education system.

    The child has some control over their behavior, but not always. When my brother was 5-8 years old, he could have quickly turned violent. I did not understand it at the time, but he had no control over it, and my parents did everything they could to make the situation improve (for Christ's sake, why the hell wouldn't they?). In his mind, he thought he was two different people. This child probably acted in a different way than my own brother, yet you would receive a million eye rolls from anyone who knows a lick about what it is like.

    Special education is no picnic for anyone involved (one of the first lessons I learned), but let's not shove this on the parents like so many had been tempted to do over the decades for obvious incompetence.

    and similarly, let's not shove this problem on the well behaved students whose education suffers because they are inflicted with students who cannot act obediently

    glad you pointed to the 20th century methodology, when those kids were not mainstreamed
    that is the period in time when our public schools were well performing institutions
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