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    Re: Parents Angry After School Put Autistic Son in Bag

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Then shouldn't the parent have brought a lycra bag for the school to use just in case the child is feeling overstimulated? I know if a child needed regular medication then the parents would make sure the child has their medication with them or bring the medication and let a nurse or some other adult administer the child's medication. As far as I know those teachers just stuffed the kid in a duffel bag because they felt that a duffel bag is better than no bag at all. People improvise all the time when they do not have an exact tool or an exact item.
    A lycra bag costs $20 to $30 dollars in most cases. Either the parents or the school should have bought it, that part doesn't matter, they are cheap.

    The main issue, however, is that without the proper tools, and equipment, I don't believe the school should be attempting any sort of therapy.

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    Re: Parents Angry After School Put Autistic Son in Bag

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Would you be that calm before or after your kid was tied up in a gym bag?
    A lot of people can think rational and do not let their emotions control them too much. They would at least find out why first before swinging their fists and risk going to jail over a misunderstanding.
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    Re: Parents Angry After School Put Autistic Son in Bag

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    A lycra bag costs $20 to $30 dollars in most cases. Either the parents or the school should have bought it, that part doesn't matter, they are cheap.
    Then the parent should have bought a bag to be used at school.Schools don't pay for a child's medication so why should they pay for a lycra bag?This falls on the parent for not providing the proper tools and or equipment and telling the school in how to exactly deal with the child should that child feel overstimulated. I do not know about you but I have never heard of lycra bag therapy before this thread.At fist when I saw this thread I was like what thats ****ed up they stuck a kid in a bag. But then I read that they stick these kids in lycra bags as a form of therapy. Being someone who improvises when not having the right tools or materials this doesn't sound that sinister sticking a autistic child in a duffel bag assuming they didn't have any lycra bags.

    The main issue, however, is that without the proper tools, and equipment, I don't believe the school should be attempting any sort of therapy.
    As far as we know the school probably felt that doing nothing would have resulted in the child getting worse.
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    Re: Parents Angry After School Put Autistic Son in Bag

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    As I said, if a child is out of control, he should be removed from the classroom. I did not say the child should be removed for any behavior problem.

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    Okay, that's clear. Though it might not apply in a special ed classroom. You might have an adaptation for handling the behavior right there in the classroom, like a quite spot.
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    Re: Parents Angry After School Put Autistic Son in Bag

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    Well, aren't we special !! I can't speak for Josie, but I have certainly favored the views of that poster over yours. And I may, or may not be, the parent of a special needs child. I think it a bit too much "heart on my sleeve" to claim such were it the case, and then pontificate from that soapbox.

    Like it or not, there are practical restrictions in the public domain. The school system has its protocols and procedures, and it has its budgets. That other taxpayers are somehow obligated to pick up the tab to provide everyone's version of acceptable care of special needs students is not practical. That may not validate this type of therapy, but we BOTH know that in the autism-aspergers arena some children can be prone to violent and harming episodes. Hopefully your child is not, and never will be, one of those such afflicted. But it is for the school board to decide the resources it will allocate. Local citizens need to influence those folks, but again, you are not owed, nor is the school system obligated, to provide you with all the resources you want. They are not obligated to provide you with even what you feel is a minimum. You may have to choose other means of care/education.

    We don't know near enough from what could be a very incomplete news story. But even then, I think Josie has been very fair in their views.
    I agree that they aren't obligated to provide anything and everything, but there are federal legal obligations imposed on schools to teach kids with special needs. Let's make that clear for those who aren't aware.
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    Re: Parents Angry After School Put Autistic Son in Bag

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    A lot of people can think rational and do not let their emotions control them too much. They would at least find out why first before swinging their fists and risk going to jail over a misunderstanding.
    Oh well look whose pretending ot be Mr Perfect.

    Some of us have a sense of urgency in certain situations that we see to be violating or abusing our children and treating them with an astounding amount of indignity to say the least.

    Action first.
    Questions later.
    When it concerns youth who cannot defend theirselves.

    I'd reserve the inquiries and questions for later on after I'm assured my children are safe and far from harm.

    If I act wrongly - then I'd give an appology if it's necessary.

    If I myself seemed to be abusing, neglecting or harming SOMEONE ELSE'S child in their eyes - I'd expect no less but physical intervention. I would expect no less of any other parent - no fault and no blame. If I am not doing anything wrong - they will likely appologize and even if they DON'T then I won't hold it against them: because I KNOW what it is like and what it means ot be a parent.

    If the story read "she bitch slapped the attendant because she couldn't get her son untied" I wouldn't hold it against her AT ALL. I'm surprised she contained her anger and shock - I'm surprised she WAITED for the woman to untie her son. . . I would not just stand around waiting for my son to be released.

    My likely response would be 'get your ****ing hands OFF my child - you've done enough all ready.'

    Holy **** - listen to you.

    At what point would you get angry, then? At what point would you stand up for your child? Or would you just let them CONTINUE to bag your child without concern?
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    Re: Parents Angry After School Put Autistic Son in Bag

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    I agree that they aren't obligated to provide anything and everything, but there are federal legal obligations imposed on schools to teach kids with special needs. Let's make that clear for those who aren't aware.
    i hope we recall this thread when we post in another, castigating the poor jobs public teachers are doing
    where we refuse to acknowledge that private schools are able to decline to accept the students requiring extensive training and patience in a way public schools are not

    my wife is a retired public school teacher. and she often commented about the parents of special needs children who would not allow their children to be tested to document their special needs
    they were fearful that their kids would no longer be able to be mainstreamed - taught with the other children without such disabilities
    so, what would result is a disruptive child, without the medication they required, inhibiting the learning of the remaining students in the classroom. all because the teacher's time was disproportionately devoted to caring for the child who possessed some impairment, for which that student was not receiving other, appropriate treatment
    it was a form of denial by the parent, who pretended that their child had the capacity to mainstream, when in fact, they did not. those students are better served by schools with the facilities and teachers equipped to teach them, despite their special needs. seldom is that going to be the case in a mainstream school
    i wonder if the parent who objected to the treatment received by her child is one of those parents who was/is in denial
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    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Then the parent should have bought a bag to be used at school.Schools don't pay for a child's medication so why should they pay for a lycra bag?This falls on the parent for not providing the proper tools and or equipment and telling the school in how to exactly deal with the child should that child feel overstimulated. I do not know about you but I have never heard of lycra bag therapy before this thread.At fist when I saw this thread I was like what thats ****ed up they stuck a kid in a bag. But then I read that they stick these kids in lycra bags as a form of therapy. Being someone who improvises when not having the right tools or materials this doesn't sound that sinister sticking a autistic child in a duffel bag assuming they didn't have any lycra bags.



    As far as we know the school probably felt that doing nothing would have resulted in the child getting worse.
    James, if the IEP team believes a student would greatly benefit from a product or service for the classroom, the parents do not need to cough up the cash. The cost barrier is high for parents, and It is considered "free and appropriate education." If the school would try to push that onto the parents' wallet, then an advocate would rightly point out that it is the school's responsibility, not the parents'.

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    Re: Parents Angry After School Put Autistic Son in Bag

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Oh well look whose pretending ot be Mr Perfect.

    Some of us have a sense of urgency in certain situations that we see to be violating or abusing our children and treating them with an astounding amount of indignity to say the least.

    Action first.
    Questions later.
    When it concerns youth who cannot defend theirselves.

    I'd reserve the inquiries and questions for later on after I'm assured my children are safe and far from harm.

    If I act wrongly - then I'd give an appology if it's necessary.

    If I myself seemed to be abusing, neglecting or harming SOMEONE ELSE'S child in their eyes - I'd expect no less but physical intervention. I would expect no less of any other parent - no fault and no blame. If I am not doing anything wrong - they will likely appologize and even if they DON'T then I won't hold it against them: because I KNOW what it is like and what it means ot be a parent.

    If the story read "she bitch slapped the attendant because she couldn't get her son untied" I wouldn't hold it against her AT ALL. I'm surprised she contained her anger and shock - I'm surprised she WAITED for the woman to untie her son. . . I would not just stand around waiting for my son to be released.

    My likely response would be 'get your ****ing hands OFF my child - you've done enough all ready.'

    Holy **** - listen to you.

    At what point would you get angry, then? At what point would you stand up for your child? Or would you just let them CONTINUE to bag your child without concern?
    Walking into school and seeing a child in a duffel bag is not witnessing abuse. At first glance you do not know why the child is in the bag,if it some part of a play or activity the kids are doing, who put the child in the bag or even if the child put him or herself in a bag.When I was a kid I would hide in toy boxes, laundry hampers and if I had a duffel bag I would have put myself in it.My nieces and nephew do stuff like that.Kids do **** like like that.You are just being totally irrational and making it seem as though it was malice on the school's part when the article describes no malice.Now if the parent walked in and seen the teaching beating the child then that would be witnessing abuse. The fact is the parent failed to provide lycra bag and failed to tell the school and teachers exactly what do when their kid starts acting up or going bonkers or what ever it is when a autistic kid is having a sensory overload. The school at the time may have thought this was better than doing nothing at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    A lycra bag costs $20 to $30 dollars in most cases. Either the parents or the school should have bought it, that part doesn't matter, they are cheap.

    The main issue, however, is that without the proper tools, and equipment, I don't believe the school should be attempting any sort of therapy.
    Well, furthermore, there seems to be a number of problems:

    1) Who gave that okay? There should have been someone who was trained and knowledgable in that therapy. if they aren't, they are supervised by those who are.

    2) The parents were not informed by the team as to "what" they were employing. The parents need to be expressly informed on specifics.

    3) If the IEP deems it necessary, no, the parents are *not* expected to front the costs. That is the school's responsibility.
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