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    Re: Nigeria on alert as Shell announces worst oil spill in a decade

    Opinion: The alternatives are already there. When they are needed and it is in the best interest of the big corporations they will come rolling out in one giant wave. For one thing I don't think the big corporations have the legislation all set up yet to protect things toward their best interest.
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    Re: Nigeria on alert as Shell announces worst oil spill in a decade

    Quote Originally Posted by KeeKee View Post
    Opinion: The alternatives are already there. When they are needed and it is in the best interest of the big corporations they will come rolling out in one giant wave. For one thing I don't think the big corporations have the legislation all set up yet to protect things toward their best interest.
    national security trumps the best interest of corporations. we cannot and should not wait on them. had we started in earnest in the 1970s, our nation's present day domestic and foreign policies would most likely be startlingly different.

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    Re: Nigeria on alert as Shell announces worst oil spill in a decade

    Quote Originally Posted by KeeKee View Post
    Opinion: The alternatives are already there. When they are needed and it is in the best interest of the big corporations they will come rolling out in one giant wave. For one thing I don't think the big corporations have the legislation all set up yet to protect things toward their best interest.
    If the alternatives were partical and cost effective, the energy industry would already be putting them into place.

    Energy companies don't drill for oil and gas, just for the hell of it. I think that's a huge point that a lot of people miss.
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    national security trumps the best interest of corporations. we cannot and should not wait on them. had we started in earnest in the 1970s, our nation's present day domestic and foreign policies would most likely be startlingly different.
    If alternative energy sources actually worked and were proven to be efficient and reliable, the free market would have taken hold of them and made petroleum obsolete.

    Kinda like George Washington Carver trying to make a phonograph needle out of a peanut.
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    Re: Nigeria on alert as Shell announces worst oil spill in a decade

    Quote Originally Posted by KeeKee View Post
    Opinion: The alternatives are already there. When they are needed and it is in the best interest of the big corporations they will come rolling out in one giant wave. For one thing I don't think the big corporations have the legislation all set up yet to protect things toward their best interest.
    the problem is you cant harness and store it....windmills only work when the wind is blowing, solar panels only work when the sun is shining...they are very insufficient and require fossil fuel backup......and for those of you who like to travel abroad...good luck with those battery operated electric Boeing 747s..................and also....do you realize how many everyday products like are petroleum based?.....
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    Re: Nigeria on alert as Shell announces worst oil spill in a decade

    Quote Originally Posted by fishinRod View Post
    the problem is you cant harness and store it....windmills only work when the wind is blowing, solar panels only work when the sun is shining...they are very insufficient and require fossil fuel backup......and for those of you who like to travel abroad...good luck with those battery operated electric Boeing 747s..................and also....do you realize how many everyday products like are petroleum based?.....
    Let's not forget that the treehuggers hate the windmills and solar panels as much as the oil wells.
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    Re: Nigeria on alert as Shell announces worst oil spill in a decade

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    Nigeria on alert as Shell announces worst oil spill in a decade | Environment | guardian.co.uk



    This **** has to stop. We are destroying our world's ecological heritage for decades and centuries to come. Does no one care about the future legacy we leave to the coming generations?
    Unless the media keeps up with the reports then I do not see Shell cleaning up their mess.
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    Re: Nigeria on alert as Shell announces worst oil spill in a decade

    Quote Originally Posted by fishinRod View Post
    the problem is you cant harness and store it....windmills only work when the wind is blowing, solar panels only work when the sun is shining...they are very insufficient and require fossil fuel backup......and for those of you who like to travel abroad...good luck with those battery operated electric Boeing 747s..................and also....do you realize how many everyday products like are petroleum based?.....
    You'll never completely eliminate fossil fuels. It would be stupid to try. But eliminating the US' near-absolute dependence on foreign fossil fuels is critical to the nation's economic security. This process will not occur on a one for one basis. The solution is not two-dimensional. Wind alone will not replace oil and solar alone will not replace oil. It will take Wind, Solar, Hydro, and Nuclear all operating in tandem to do the job. The Wind farm in one county will not be able to provide all the power all the time for that county because the wind doesn't always blow as pointed out. So the slack would be taken up by a wind farm in another location or the solar power plant in a different one. Nuclear power will be a huge chunk of the solution and a preferable backup.

    Oil cannot be eliminated entirely, but it should be cut back drastically. Once this is done, penny ante governments in the ME will have nothing further to do with US foreign policy.
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    Re: Nigeria on alert as Shell announces worst oil spill in a decade

    About 50% of the electricity comes from coal power plants and 20% from nuclear with both having bad side effects. These can be fixed in time with technology and alternative sources. But fuel driven transport is one of the biggest problems we face and it's an immensely profitable business. Out of the Top 5 corporate revenue earners 4 are oil companies with Walmart #1. In simple terms the worlds economy is too fragile for a sudden transition to another viable energy source (batteries) that doesn't generate such profits. In the time it takes most people to read this sentence, the world will have used up about 8,000 barrels of oil - 336,000 gallons; at 1000 barrels per second. And nobody knows for sure, even if it lasts a few more decades what the environmental impact will be. A wonderful technology that has outlived it's usefulness in a practical way.

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    Re: Nigeria on alert as Shell announces worst oil spill in a decade

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    If alternative energy sources actually worked and were proven to be efficient and reliable, the free market would have taken hold of them and made petroleum obsolete.

    Kinda like George Washington Carver trying to make a phonograph needle out of a peanut.
    absolutely.

    we should have waited for corporations to build the interstate highway system, as well.

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