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I hope that those who strongly oppose this bill have taken a few minutes to e-mail your representative and senators.
 
I hope that those who strongly oppose this bill have taken a few minutes to e-mail your representative and senators.

Yeah because that changes minds and isn't just a total waste of time. :doh
 
In my opinion, these 60 year olds who didn't grow up with the internet, who likely can't type, and who don't use it for anything other than to further their own political cause have absolutely no business voting on something that have no idea about and not only affects the entire country, but many others than our own; potentially the world.
 
In my opinion, these 60 year olds who didn't grow up with the internet, who likely can't type, and who don't use it for anything other than to further their own political cause have absolutely no business voting on something that have no idea about and not only affects the entire country, but many others than our own; potentially the world.
Watch out. You are about to summon the Debate Politics Geezers (most wear little cylinder hats with tassels on top and drive around in mopeds). Or old men at least.
 
In my opinion, these 60 year olds who didn't grow up with the internet, who likely can't type, and who don't use it for anything other than to further their own political cause have absolutely no business voting on something that have no idea about and not only affects the entire country, but many others than our own; potentially the world.

This is a very old clip, but I think it speaks to the point.

[video]http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-july-12-2006/headlines---internet[/video]
 
Doing my daily ron pauling and was kinda surprise at how many likes it got in a short amount of time. His fb page is blowing up.

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I was expressing a prediction, because each time Obama opens his mouth, he lies! Did you know that Obama's czar Cass is trying to push for "net neutrality"?

Net Neutrality is vitally important to an open and free internet. It's what you have always had. It isn't a push to implement neut neutrality, it's a push to make sure we keep net neutrality. You like the way your internet works now, right? It's not broken, don't fix it.


Nancy Pelosi was on the "oppose" list. Strange bill, this one. Rather than party lines it seems to be along the lines of "People who understand how the internet works" and "People who don't understand how the internet works."

Also, "people who understand but don't give a **** because they are getting millions in donations from the entertainment industry."
 
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I haven't read all 9 pages SO not sure if this was brought up but I think it's hilarious that Marco Rubio just came out and says he "no longer supports the Protect IP bill", and all the sheep on his FB page (my husband is a libertarian & likes him so he has him on his FB) are praising him left and right. Aren't they wondering why he supported it in the first place, and is now backing out? Wasn't he the big "uphold the constitution man"? :roll: My husband didn't know what to say when I told him. He had just said last night it's all thanks to the Obama administration. Uh huh. Too bad Rubio SPONSORED IT (but don't worry- he's backing out now because he "listens to the people").
 
Watch out. You are about to summon the Debate Politics Geezers (most wear little cylinder hats with tassels on top and drive around in mopeds). Or old men at least.

True, I may. However, they're not in congress. Those 60 year old geezers in congress have their secretaries do all the computing. I seriously doubt those secretaries have a large amount of say in the decision making of the congressman/woman. Therefor, again, I believe they have no business voting on something they know nothing about.
 
This is a very old clip, but I think it speaks to the point.

[video]http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-july-12-2006/headlines---internet[/video]

Indeed sir, I love that. Point well made. What is astounding is that the "guy who regulates it" doesn't know jack **** about it, yet they put him in charge of it. I'm a programming major, so I have a pretty good idea of where the internet is headed while Congress, has the tubes in their brains filled with ****.
 
I haven't read all 9 pages SO not sure if this was brought up but I think it's hilarious that Marco Rubio just came out and says he "no longer supports the Protect IP bill", and all the sheep on his FB page (my husband is a libertarian & likes him so he has him on his FB) are praising him left and right. Aren't they wondering why he supported it in the first place, and is now backing out? Wasn't he the big "uphold the constitution man"? :roll: My husband didn't know what to say when I told him. He had just said last night it's all thanks to the Obama administration. Uh huh. Too bad Rubio SPONSORED IT (but don't worry- he's backing out now because he "listens to the people").


Well...it's crappy that he supported it to begin with, and he should explain that...but we're all calling/mailing our senators and representatives exactly to accomplish this goal: changing their votes.

Apparently, his constituents succeeded. I hope I/my fellow voters are as successful with my reps.
 
I am very pleased to learn that one of my senators has reversed his position on this (Rubio), now Sen. Nelson, it is your turn to step up and pay attention to the huge outcry you are hearing from your constituents (myself included).

I still have no clue what my congresswoman's stance is on the issue, but she does know mine.
 
Dangit Franken what is wrong with you, you're usually a pretty sharp guy!
 
WSo, what's the word - has SOPA been killed, or merely shelved? What about PIPA, and any other similar laws? I know support is [rightfully, IMO] dying, but I've kinda taken a day off from keeping up with the issue.
 
Really? So I suppose you think it's okay that we, the United States, the land of the free, are to be subjected to the same sort of censorship on the internet that China has to endure?

I've seen absolutely nothing to show that statements like this are anything but hyperbole. As the recent actions show in other threads this is stuff that can be done already.

Or what about the fact that maybe you can't go and find certain videos you used to love on youtube? How about the fact that the Attorney General will have one more resource to look into your life and see what you're up to? I don't care if you're a model citizen, privacy is one thing people should be entitled to. With nearly everything going to the internet, you can kiss that goodbye.

Stealing is never a privacy issue. You have no right whatsoever to steal in private.
 
I've seen absolutely nothing to show that statements like this are anything but hyperbole. As the recent actions show in other threads this is stuff that can be done already.



Stealing is never a privacy issue. You have no right whatsoever to steal in private.

It's not about stealing, it's about the burden being placed on legitimate websites and the threat of them being shut down based on the word of the entertainment industry. Piracy is a straw man, we're not defending piracy.

I mean, you understand that google, youtube, facebook, and twitter all "facilitate" piracy, right? People sometimes have links to piracy sites on those websites. If I put a link on facebook to a site hosting a copyrighted video, facebook can be held liable for it.
 
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It's not about stealing, it's about the burden being placed on legitimate websites and the threat of them being shut down based on the word of the entertainment industry. Piracy is a straw man, we're not defending piracy.

Can I assume that you support the prosecution of sites that support pirated materials?

I mean, you understand that google, youtube, facebook, and twitter all "facilitate" piracy, right? People sometimes have links to piracy sites on those websites. If I put a link on facebook to a site hosting a copyrighted video, facebook can be held liable for it.

I believe that to be hyperbole.
 
Can I assume that you support the prosecution of sites that support pirated materials?



I believe that to be hyperbole.

Read the bill. "Facilitates piracy" can bring you in harms way. And it would be up to 70 year old judges to define that.

Youtube makes it extremely easy for me to share copyrighted material. Wouldn't you say that facilitates piracy?

Maybe you wouldn't say that. How about a 70 year old judge who barely knows how to use a computer?

As far as prosecution, I agree that there should be penalty for electronic piracy but the dollar amounts that companies try to sue for are outrageous, and that the numbers these companies spit out about how much revenue piracy costs them are just plain made up.
 
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Read the bill. "Facilitates piracy" can bring you in harms way. And it would be up to 70 year old judges to define that.

Youtube makes it extremely easy for me to share copyrighted material. Wouldn't you say that facilitates piracy?

Maybe you wouldn't say that. How about a 70 year old judge who barely knows how to use a computer?

I believe I asked you a question first.
 
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I've seen absolutely nothing to show that statements like this are anything but hyperbole. As the recent actions show in other threads this is stuff that can be done already.



Stealing is never a privacy issue. You have no right whatsoever to steal in private.

Nor does the Gov. have the right to tell me what web sites I can or cannot go to. Which books I can or cannot read. What I can or cannot say. This is the First Amendment to the Constitution they're talking about violating. Not only does it affect Americans, but our Gov. doesn't have the right to make this decision without the consent of other countries, as they will be affected by the changes as well.
 
Personally, I think this will be a historic moment in politics. This was a rare show of bipartisanship that succeeded primarily due to overwhelming opposition by the American people through the voice of the internet. The ACLU, MoveOn, and the Tea Party Patriots all opposed this bill. It demonstrates that the internet is rapidly becoming one of the most effective communication channels between modern countries and their governments. Hopefully, this technology will continue to evolve as quickly to allow more efficient information flow throughout societies.

Google illustrates it nicely:

https://static.googleusercontent.co...e.com/en/us/landing/takeaction/takeaction.pdf
 
Can I assume that you support the prosecution of sites that support pirated materials?



I believe that to be hyperbole.

Are you aware that under this legislation, simply viewing a piece of copyrighted material like stuff that's all over youtube, could land you up to 5 years in prison? Do you REALLY think that's a good thing? How about that YouTube would also be shut down, eliminating millions of archived tutorials and free learning materials that ANYONE with an internet connection is entitled to? This goes way beyond piracy. The bill is outright lunacy and criminal to the American people, not to mention other countries affected. I've learned how to do all kinds of stuff online, especially from YouTube. To remove great resources like YouTube would be like taking a baby's sucker toy thing away just because the family got it at Goodwill. If they're going to censor the internet, they might as well get rid of libraries too. We can all go to the library for free and enjoy someone else's hard work, for free.
 
Nor does the Gov. have the right to tell me what web sites I can or cannot go to.

Nor do I believe they are trying. If you can show me where this is addressed in any bill I'd appreciate it.
 
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