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    Re: Sopa

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    The arguments of people who steal the content of others through illegal download boil down to:

    1. I don't wanna pay for stuff.

    2. You can't make me pay for stuff I want to steal.

    3. I should be allowed to steal stuff.
    The SOPA bill isn't just about DRM. It's about firewalling and restricting the Internet in the way that gives the big studios and labels the ability to distribute content while preventing independent artists and movie makers from doing the same. That is rupert murdoch's wet dream. The Time Warners of the world want things to go back to the pre-Internet era where they could control all the content created.

    It's also about the US government controlling access to information. The title of a bill typically has nothing to do with its content.

    AS for theft of media, anyone who wants to show a movie or perform a song can always do it live, which completely inhibits any form of hi-fi digital recording.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    It's not really limited to just that though.
    If I want to do a companion piece to your IP, adding all new things, you can sue me and if IP holders have their way, I could be held criminally liable.
    If you decide to profit off the already created ideas of others without compensating them, I have no problem with that.

    Why should I do anything to benefit them, when they're doing something to harm me?
    LOL, why should they allow their ideas to benefit you without compensation?

    Sorry but I believe in nullification.
    If the legal system is corrupt and won't abide by the law, why should I?
    Again, this is always what it boils down to. People thinking they have a right to steal the work of others. Didn't you complain about this same sort of thinking with the OWS crowd?

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    Re: Sopa

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    If you decide to profit off the already created ideas of others without compensating them, I have no problem with that.
    But they are profiting off the ideas of others too.

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    LOL, why should they allow their ideas to benefit you without compensation?
    That is the contradiction that IP holders have.
    They freely profit off the ideas of others, yet they don't want to allow others to profit off of their ideas.
    Sounds a lot like, "Do as I say, not as I do."

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Again, this is always what it boils down to. People thinking they have a right to steal the work of others. Didn't you complain about this same sort of thinking with the OWS crowd?
    IP holder "steal" the work of others without compensating them.....
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    Re: Sopa

    Quote Originally Posted by Baralis View Post
    When I sell my old books or DVDs in a garage sale is the person buying them a thief? Yet if I email or torrent an Ebook or a movie to my cousin in RI they are a thief. Can you not see the hypocrisy in this?
    No, that's the way they are packaged. In one instance you can resell the book one time. In another you could resell it countless numbers of times. It is and was illegal for you to make copies of hard copy books and resell them.

    If I buy a Book or DVD and then lend it to my neighbor are they a thief? Then why sending them the same content over the internet different?
    There is a zero percent chance of you getting nailed for this.

    Now I understand that there is a difference and that is the scope in which people can now share these works and that is what it is all about. It has the potential to cause a lot more financial damage to the creators. I do not deny this.

    I do not consider it stealing but rather receiving stolen goods, torrents are freely given, I am not "stealing" them from anyone.
    Stealing or receiving stolen goods is both illegal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    But they are profiting off the ideas of others too.
    This is a generalization with no relevance. Many have had to pay where it was proven they profitted off the ideas of others. Sampling comes to mind.

    That is the contradiction that IP holders have.
    They freely profit off the ideas of others, yet they don't want to allow others to profit off of their ideas.
    Sounds a lot like, "Do as I say, not as I do."
    THey? Who are "they"?

    IP holder "steal" the work of others without compensating them.....
    Sorry, you need to be far more specific.

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    Re: Sopa

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    This is a generalization with no relevance. Many have had to pay where it was proven they profitted off the ideas of others. Sampling comes to mind.

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    THey? Who are "they"?

    Sorry, you need to be far more specific.
    Practically every single person who holds some sort of IP.
    They did not invent in their own mind, all the concepts, structure, etc. of the works they created.
    They were not born in a vacuum and did not create their work in a vacuum.

    Most freely admit to being "influenced" by other works.
    The evidence is most damning, yet they want to deny to others, what they did openly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Practically every single person who holds some sort of IP.
    They did not invent in their own mind, all the concepts, structure, etc. of the works they created.
    They were not born in a vacuum and did not create their work in a vacuum.

    Most freely admit to being "influenced" by other works.
    The evidence is most damning, yet they want to deny to others, what they did openly.
    Sorry, there is no way to debate vague things like this. Whatever it is they are doing, you would legally be able to also.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baralis View Post
    When I sell my old books or DVDs in a garage sale is the person buying them a thief?
    No - because you paid for it and are selling YOUR legally owned property. This is entirely different from distributing the content freely when it doesn't belong to you. Why? Because upon purchasing the product, you AGREE to abide by the manufacturer's contract as dictated in those little blue FBI screens that go something like :



    Yet if I email or torrent an Ebook or a movie to my cousin in RI they are a thief. Can you not see the hypocrisy in this?


    If I buy a Book or DVD and then lend it to my neighbor are they a thief? Then why sending them the same content over the internet different?
    Nonsense. You know damn ****ing well that the overwhelming to the 99.99% percentile of torrents out on the internet aren't of legally purchased content.

    Now I understand that there is a difference and that is the scope in which people can now share these works and that is what it is all about. It has the potential to cause a lot more financial damage to the creators. I do not deny this.

    I do not consider it stealing but rather receiving stolen goods, torrents are freely given, I am not "stealing" them from anyone.
    It is stealing because you didn't pay for it but still feel you are entitled to the product. Quit putting out nonsensical hypothetical scenarios.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Sorry, there is no way to debate vague things like this. Whatever it is they are doing, you would legally be able to also.
    Do you see what I mean? Harry Guerrilla has a knack for going into the absurd when it comes to piracy debates. If we were to follow his "logic" there would be no right to property at all. After all, if you didn't invent the grass, the trees and dirt on your land, how can you claim that any of it is legally yours?
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    Re: Sopa

    Obama finally got his wish! The Political Circus is now over, and congressmen and women of all parties can come together to screw over the people together!

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