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    Quote Originally Posted by Baralis View Post
    I see it as just another attempt by the entertainment industry to continue their absurd demands brought on by greed. Like many forms of entertainment today the people involved demand more and more and want to work less and less for it. Any threat to this process is fought tooth and nail. This is the main reason I no longer watch or purchase sports items. Athletes and Actors for example expect HUGE salaries at the expense of ticket and product buyers. Take Julia Roberts for example (I believe it was her, its been a few years now) that said she didnt want to be contacted for work unless the role payed a minimum of $20M a movie. Actors/Actresses that make Television shows work shorter and shorter seasons and ask for more and more money. Look at TV in the 1950's for example, many made 40-60 episodes a year and worked for a fraction of current salaries (taking inflation into consideration), today many shows are only 12-16 episodes a year.

    High budget movies today have a army of personal. All for what? Movies today in my opinion are no more entertaining then 50 years ago. I recently watched a movie that was made by an individual for $25,000. Yes I said $25,000 and while it did not have the same polish that Hollywood releases have it was every bit as entertaining. Yet many if not most Hollywood releases have budgets in the tens of millions and some over 100 million.

    I say that the entertainment industry has been digging their own hole and now are looking for our politicians to correct the problem putting the blame on "pirates". I have got news for them, if torrents were not available I still wouldn't pay $15+ to watch 99% their overpriced crap in theaters.
    This is what every arguement boils down to. Someone feeling that someone else wants too much for the product and since the first party feels that the second party is charging too much they feel it's justifiable to just take it.

    This is the same arguement shoplifters have used for years.

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    Re: Sopa

    The arguments of people who steal the content of others through illegal download boil down to:

    1. I don't wanna pay for stuff.

    2. You can't make me pay for stuff I want to steal.

    3. I should be allowed to steal stuff.

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    I've blasted away pretty much every supporter of illegal piracy on this forum that I've ever encountered and their arguments, when they realize are bull****, then go into the absurd. I once had some moron claim that because artists today hadn't invented "sound"/"the English language" they shouldn't get the exclusive right to own that which they produce.
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    Re: Sopa

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I've blasted away pretty much every supporter of illegal piracy on this forum that I've ever encountered and their arguments, when they realize are bull****, then go into the absurd. I once had some moron claim that because artists today hadn't invented "sound"/"the English language" they shouldn't get the exclusive right to own that which they produce.
    You're letting congress bait you away from the real issue, which is firewalling the internet. The piracy clause is just the gateway to China-style control of cyberspace, freedom of information, and thought-speak. It started with child porn before that.

    These emotional hotbutton issues are making people turn off their logic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post
    You're letting congress bait you away from the real issue, which is firewalling the internet. The piracy clause is just the gateway to China-style control of cyberspace, freedom of information, and thought-speak. It started with child porn before that.
    ? Please tell me you aren't defending the right to transmit child porn?

    These emotional hotbutton issues are making people turn off their logic.
    Then make one based upon the facts so I can be convinced.

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    Re: Sopa

    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post
    You're letting congress bait you away from the real issue, which is firewalling the internet. The piracy clause is just the gateway to China-style control of cyberspace, freedom of information, and thought-speak. It started with child porn before that.

    These emotional hotbutton issues are making people turn off their logic.
    Did I read that right? Sounds wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    ? Please tell me you aren't defending the right to transmit child porn?

    Then make one based upon the facts so I can be convinced.
    That's what I read too.... What the hell does child porn have to do with copyright infringement?
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    Re: Sopa

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    This is what every arguement boils down to. Someone feeling that someone else wants too much for the product and since the first party feels that the second party is charging too much they feel it's justifiable to just take it.

    This is the same arguement shoplifters have used for years.
    No, most people who have a problem with IP law, have valid complaints.

    First and foremost, nearly all IP is based on prior work.
    So the argument that it is original is false and allowing indefinite ownership is wrong.

    Second, the constitution allows for IP, for a limited time.
    IP ownership after death, runs a foul of the supreme law of the land.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    No, most people who have a problem with IP law, have valid complaints.

    First and foremost, nearly all IP is based on prior work.
    So the argument that it is original is false and allowing indefinite ownership is wrong.
    If we were discussing allowing ownership to lapse after 25 years or something, there would be no discussion here. Much of what is being pirated is recently new work.

    Second, the constitution allows for IP, for a limited time.
    IP ownership after death, runs a foul of the supreme law of the land.
    We have laws to address that. If you have a problem with them, work to change them, don't decide that just because you dislike them that you have the right to ignore them just because you can get internet access.

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    Re: Sopa

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    If we were discussing allowing ownership to lapse after 25 years or something, there would be no discussion here. Much of what is being pirated is recently new work.
    It's not really limited to just that though.
    If I want to do a companion piece to your IP, adding all new things, you can sue me and if IP holders have their way, I could be held criminally liable.

    Why should I do anything to benefit them, when they're doing something to harm me?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    We have laws to address that. If you have a problem with them, work to change them, don't decide that just because you dislike them that you have the right to ignore them just because you can get internet access.
    Sorry but I believe in nullification.
    If the legal system is corrupt and won't abide by the law, why should I?
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    Re: Sopa

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    This is what every arguement boils down to. Someone feeling that someone else wants too much for the product and since the first party feels that the second party is charging too much they feel it's justifiable to just take it.

    This is the same arguement shoplifters have used for years.
    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    The arguments of people who steal the content of others through illegal download boil down to:

    1. I don't wanna pay for stuff.

    2. You can't make me pay for stuff I want to steal.

    3. I should be allowed to steal stuff.

    ------------

    I've blasted away pretty much every supporter of illegal piracy on this forum that I've ever encountered and their arguments, when they realize are bull****, then go into the absurd. I once had some moron claim that because artists today hadn't invented "sound"/"the English language" they shouldn't get the exclusive right to own that which they produce.

    When I sell my old books or DVDs in a garage sale is the person buying them a thief? Yet if I email or torrent an Ebook or a movie to my cousin in RI they are a thief. Can you not see the hypocrisy in this?

    If I buy a Book or DVD and then lend it to my neighbor are they a thief? Then why sending them the same content over the internet different?

    Now I understand that there is a difference and that is the scope in which people can now share these works and that is what it is all about. It has the potential to cause a lot more financial damage to the creators. I do not deny this.

    I do not consider it stealing but rather receiving stolen goods, torrents are freely given, I am not "stealing" them from anyone.

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