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    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    And this bill would substantially lower the bar for them to do so, and also shifts the burden of proof from the prosecutor to the accused.
    Let's say you are running a bar and you are suspected of running illegal gambling in the back. The authorities are going to bust in, make arrests and shut the place down. You will then have your day in court.

    That's how I've seen it go down with megaupload so far. If the government confiscated all the assets and refused to give them their day in court, then I will be right there complaining.

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    I have decided that you have no idea what you're talking about. Go open a company with a message board. I'll post a link to a piracy site, and you'll go out of business. Unless the gov. purposely misrepresented your case, there's nothing you can do. SOL. Pack your bags and find a new job because the guys you Libertarians think should protect our rights just screwed you in the ass.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krystov View Post
    @ 1Perry
    I have decided that you have no idea what you're talking about. Go open a company with a message board. I'll post a link to a piracy site, and you'll go out of business. Unless the gov. purposely misrepresented your case, there's nothing you can do. SOL. Pack your bags and find a new job because the guys you Libertarians think should protect our rights just screwed you in the ass.
    Your opinion is noted.

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    Re: Sopa

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Let's say you are running a bar and you are suspected of running illegal gambling in the back. The authorities are going to bust in, make arrests and shut the place down. You will then have your day in court.

    That's how I've seen it go down with megaupload so far. If the government confiscated all the assets and refused to give them their day in court, then I will be right there complaining.
    So what happens when the Gov. makes a mistake and busts into the wrong place? Or the place suspected isn't committing any crimes? Or perhaps one of that particular bar's patrons was the one causing the illegal activity and not the bar itself? The bar gets shut down on account of someone who just happens to eat/drink there. This bar then goes out of business, and under SOPA, the Gov. IS NOT LIABLE for their mistake and there's nothing the bar can do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krystov View Post
    So what happens when the Gov. makes a mistake and busts into the wrong place?
    Unfortunately it happens. It's happened all down history. Mistakes will be made SOPA or not.

    Or the place suspected isn't committing any crimes? Or perhaps one of that particular bar's patrons was the one causing the illegal activity and not the bar itself? The bar gets shut down on account of someone who just happens to eat/drink there. This bar then goes out of business, and under SOPA, the Gov. IS NOT LIABLE for their mistake and there's nothing the bar can do.
    See, I'm not real big on worrying about nearly impossible what if's. I'm not going to even ask you to explain but if a patron is able to walk into a bar every night and set up illegal gambling in the back without anyone knowing about it, the place has far bigger problems than the governments actions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Mistakes will be made SOPA or not.
    Your damn right they will, and SOPA protects the government from retaliatory prosecution for those mistakes.

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    See, I'm not real big on worrying about nearly impossible what if's. I'm not going to even ask you to explain but if a patron is able to walk into a bar every night and set up illegal gambling in the back without anyone knowing about it, the place has far bigger problems than the governments actions.
    I didn't say that this person set up illegal gambling, only that they conducted their illegal activities here. It could be an internet bar where this person uploads all sorts of illegal content? Do you think the owners would easily find out about it? Not likely, until the feds bust down the door. Yet as I stated before, he can't do anything and could potentially go out of business as a result of a patron. When and if he did go out of business, SOPA prohibits him from being compensated through civil suit for the mistake.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krystov View Post

    I didn't say that this person set up illegal gambling, only that they conducted their illegal activities here. It could be an internet bar where this person uploads all sorts of illegal content? Do you think the owners would easily find out about it? Not likely, until the feds bust down the door. Yet as I stated before, he can't do anything and could potentially go out of business as a result of a patron. When and if he did go out of business, SOPA prohibits him from being compensated through civil suit for the mistake.
    If it's a reasonable thing that someone could use my business to facilitate illegal activities, I am going to be pro-active.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    If it's a reasonable thing that someone could use my business to facilitate illegal activities, I am going to be pro-active.
    Most people would say the same thing, but how would you know? You can't police everyone at every second that you're in business. At the moment you're not policing, you'll be held responsible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krystov View Post
    Most people would say the same thing, but how would you know? You can't police everyone at every second that you're in business. At the moment you're not policing, you'll be held responsible.
    A business should know what is on their computers.

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