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    Quote Originally Posted by Krystov View Post
    Really? So I suppose you think it's okay that we, the United States, the land of the free, are to be subjected to the same sort of censorship on the internet that China has to endure?
    I've seen absolutely nothing to show that statements like this are anything but hyperbole. As the recent actions show in other threads this is stuff that can be done already.

    Or what about the fact that maybe you can't go and find certain videos you used to love on youtube? How about the fact that the Attorney General will have one more resource to look into your life and see what you're up to? I don't care if you're a model citizen, privacy is one thing people should be entitled to. With nearly everything going to the internet, you can kiss that goodbye.
    Stealing is never a privacy issue. You have no right whatsoever to steal in private.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    I've seen absolutely nothing to show that statements like this are anything but hyperbole. As the recent actions show in other threads this is stuff that can be done already.



    Stealing is never a privacy issue. You have no right whatsoever to steal in private.
    It's not about stealing, it's about the burden being placed on legitimate websites and the threat of them being shut down based on the word of the entertainment industry. Piracy is a straw man, we're not defending piracy.

    I mean, you understand that google, youtube, facebook, and twitter all "facilitate" piracy, right? People sometimes have links to piracy sites on those websites. If I put a link on facebook to a site hosting a copyrighted video, facebook can be held liable for it.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Sopa

    SOPA and PIPA anti-web priracy bills halted by U.S. Congress after Wikipedia protest | FP Tech Desk | Financial Post

    It hasn't be tossed out, but the vote has been delayed. What a bunch of B.S. Millions of people have weighed in and have said NO. The people have spoken. This POS should be shredded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    It's not about stealing, it's about the burden being placed on legitimate websites and the threat of them being shut down based on the word of the entertainment industry. Piracy is a straw man, we're not defending piracy.
    Can I assume that you support the prosecution of sites that support pirated materials?

    I mean, you understand that google, youtube, facebook, and twitter all "facilitate" piracy, right? People sometimes have links to piracy sites on those websites. If I put a link on facebook to a site hosting a copyrighted video, facebook can be held liable for it.
    I believe that to be hyperbole.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Can I assume that you support the prosecution of sites that support pirated materials?



    I believe that to be hyperbole.
    Read the bill. "Facilitates piracy" can bring you in harms way. And it would be up to 70 year old judges to define that.

    Youtube makes it extremely easy for me to share copyrighted material. Wouldn't you say that facilitates piracy?

    Maybe you wouldn't say that. How about a 70 year old judge who barely knows how to use a computer?

    As far as prosecution, I agree that there should be penalty for electronic piracy but the dollar amounts that companies try to sue for are outrageous, and that the numbers these companies spit out about how much revenue piracy costs them are just plain made up.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Read the bill. "Facilitates piracy" can bring you in harms way. And it would be up to 70 year old judges to define that.

    Youtube makes it extremely easy for me to share copyrighted material. Wouldn't you say that facilitates piracy?

    Maybe you wouldn't say that. How about a 70 year old judge who barely knows how to use a computer?
    I believe I asked you a question first.
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    Re: Sopa

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    I've seen absolutely nothing to show that statements like this are anything but hyperbole. As the recent actions show in other threads this is stuff that can be done already.



    Stealing is never a privacy issue. You have no right whatsoever to steal in private.
    Nor does the Gov. have the right to tell me what web sites I can or cannot go to. Which books I can or cannot read. What I can or cannot say. This is the First Amendment to the Constitution they're talking about violating. Not only does it affect Americans, but our Gov. doesn't have the right to make this decision without the consent of other countries, as they will be affected by the changes as well.
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    Personally, I think this will be a historic moment in politics. This was a rare show of bipartisanship that succeeded primarily due to overwhelming opposition by the American people through the voice of the internet. The ACLU, MoveOn, and the Tea Party Patriots all opposed this bill. It demonstrates that the internet is rapidly becoming one of the most effective communication channels between modern countries and their governments. Hopefully, this technology will continue to evolve as quickly to allow more efficient information flow throughout societies.

    Google illustrates it nicely:

    https://static.googleusercontent.com...takeaction.pdf
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    Re: Sopa

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Can I assume that you support the prosecution of sites that support pirated materials?



    I believe that to be hyperbole.
    Are you aware that under this legislation, simply viewing a piece of copyrighted material like stuff that's all over youtube, could land you up to 5 years in prison? Do you REALLY think that's a good thing? How about that YouTube would also be shut down, eliminating millions of archived tutorials and free learning materials that ANYONE with an internet connection is entitled to? This goes way beyond piracy. The bill is outright lunacy and criminal to the American people, not to mention other countries affected. I've learned how to do all kinds of stuff online, especially from YouTube. To remove great resources like YouTube would be like taking a baby's sucker toy thing away just because the family got it at Goodwill. If they're going to censor the internet, they might as well get rid of libraries too. We can all go to the library for free and enjoy someone else's hard work, for free.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krystov View Post
    Nor does the Gov. have the right to tell me what web sites I can or cannot go to.
    Nor do I believe they are trying. If you can show me where this is addressed in any bill I'd appreciate it.

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