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    Re: House Republicans Cave on Payroll Tax Cuts Extension

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I believe that the point that kpa is pointing out is that there is a problem with me saying that those that don't plan for their future not being my problem, is a social problem...So I ask the question....Gheeze, must we explain everything?


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    Re: House Republicans Cave on Payroll Tax Cuts Extension

    Given that the President signed the PR tax extension today reflection on the past month reveals his reversal. It has been argued in this thread that the memory of the public is short enough that this week’s events will be forgotten when debate starts up in February. Consider the President made this statement on December 7:

    "Any effort to try to tie Keystone to the payroll tax cut I will reject," Obama told reporters after a meeting with the prime minister of Canada.

    Obama threatens payroll tax veto over Keystone provision - Los Angeles Times

    So how many remember? Did he hold true to his word? I’m sure it will be argued that he meant a ‘forced approval’ but as Karl stated the pipeline is approved by default if the decision is not made in 60 days.

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    Re: House Republicans Cave on Payroll Tax Cuts Extension

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    so, the assertions you made were not actually - legitimate
    got it

    Wait a minute...Assertions? What the **** are you talking about? I gave an opinion, another poster chimed in with some pablum of social responsibility that I must hold, and I gave an opinion. What assertion must I back up to be acceptable to you? Not that I really care if you accept anything or not, just wondering.


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    Re: House Republicans Cave on Payroll Tax Cuts Extension

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Yet, by making a big deal of it, both parties seem to think that they can somehow win points.
    when in doubt, always bet on people pursuing their self interest. do not, however, bet on the long-term wisdom of anyone who does not suffer directly the consequences of their mistakes.

    That happened several decades ago, didn't it, when Johnson put the SS "trust fund" into the general fund in order to fund a war and the "great society" at the same time? It has been a de facto tax on the middle class and working poor ever since.
    yes, but not in the public eye. seniors across America are convinced they are only "getting their money back" and "getting what they paid for". We have to break that if we are to fiscally survive.

    Oh, that makes sense. They're engaged in partisan gamesmanship, as usual. The Democrats can't possibly make a decision on the Keystone project, as they would either anger the environmentalists or labor, depending on how they decided, so they want to wait until after the election to decide.
    naturally. It's a real pickle for them, but that is because portions of their base have mutually excluding goals.

    and, of course, no one can figure out how to pay for yet another tax cut. There is no way to pay for another tax cut.
    sure there is. what we can't do is agree on how to pay for this tax cut. there are plenty of ways to offset the added burden to the treasury.

    the Congress is operating in Never Never land mode.
    and has been for years if not decades.

    Obama wins? He wins because he doesn't have to make a decision that would lose points regardless of what he decides until after the election, is that how he wins?
    he wins because he has made the optics work for him. amazingly, he, his media allies, and Senate Republicans have all conspired to make House Republicans look like they are in favor of not extending a middle class tax cut because in fact they wanted to extend it more. as I understand it, his favorability has gotten a slight bump on it, even as republicans have dipped.

    Meanwhile, the country loses. What a sorry situation.
    yup. Can we please just go ahead and pass Bowles-Simpson tax reform? 1 Trillion in added revenue for Dems, lower, flatter rates for Republicans.
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    Re: House Republicans Cave on Payroll Tax Cuts Extension

    The bottom line is that the Republicans in the House, for whatever reason, voted down a bill that had been supported by 38 GOP senators and negotiated by the Minority Leader.

    The fact that Boehner had to reverse the House's position within days is a reflection of his own party's reaction to the gross mishandling of the situation.

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    Re: House Republicans Cave on Payroll Tax Cuts Extension

    Quote Originally Posted by jgarden47 View Post
    The bottom line is that the Republicans in the House, for whatever reason, voted down a bill that had been supported by 38 GOP senators and negotiated by the Minority Leader.

    The fact that Boehner had to reverse the House's position within days is a reflection of his own party's reaction to the gross mishandling of the situation.
    House Republicans did not vote down the bill. They demonstrated to show that they did not like it, and had wanted a better plan. Then they passed it, as they had no hope of a viable political opposition to it at this time. As the fight is renewed in two months, this skirmish is almost already forgotten.
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    Re: House Republicans Cave on Payroll Tax Cuts Extension

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    House Republicans did not vote down the bill. They demonstrated to show that they did not like it, and had wanted a better plan. Then they passed it, as they had no hope of a viable political opposition to it at this time. As the fight is renewed in two months, this skirmish is almost already forgotten.
    Of course they didn't vote down the bill. They didn't allow it to come to the floor for a vote because they didn't want it on record that they opposed a tax cut.
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    Re: House Republicans Cave on Payroll Tax Cuts Extension

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Of course they didn't vote down the bill. They didn't allow it to come to the floor for a vote because they didn't want it on record that they opposed a tax cut.
    This is dumb. Republicans opposed one of the biggest tax cuts in history when Obama passed his stimulus bill in 2009.

    Republicans have no problem going on the record and opposing tax cuts.

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    Re: House Republicans Cave on Payroll Tax Cuts Extension

    Quote Originally Posted by Antiderivative View Post
    This is dumb. Republicans opposed one of the biggest tax cuts in history when Obama passed his stimulus bill in 2009.

    Republicans have no problem going on the record and opposing tax cuts.
    They had a problem when confronted with the opportunity to vote on one, so they didn't even bring it to the floor for a vote.
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    Re: House Republicans Cave on Payroll Tax Cuts Extension

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    They had a problem when confronted with the opportunity to vote on one, so they didn't even bring it to the floor for a vote.
    Stop lying, they have no problem voting to increase taxes. In fact, their hero passed the largest peacetime tax in history: TEFRA.

    Republicans have no problem with increasing taxation and regulations. This idea that they are antithetical to taxes and regulations is a big ****ing laugh that borders on insulting informed citizens.

    Please stop your lies and insults.
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