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    Re: House Republicans Cave on Payroll Tax Cuts Extension

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Everyone in D.C. agree's the tax should be extended for the full year. Arguements aside if this is good, everyone has agreed it shoul dbe done. Rather than doing the work to do it, they decided they would rather go on vacation. This should make everyone mad. They've known for a long time the cuts end and a decision had to be made. They had plenty of time to have addressed it.

    Once again they decided to not do the hard work. Boehner was right that the 2 month deal was a failure on the part of D.C. but he was stupid for not willing to stand up for that position.
    Gonna take a little issue with you. As I have noted, from Obama's view, this is not just about extending these. Its about getting the extension WITH a concurrent tax increase on the rich, so that he has fed the beast he is creating that is class-envy. As I have said, I believe he first wants this to pinch the American people, where he has maneuvered the GOP into taking the blame for "protecting the rich". The last thing Obama wants is an extension where the funding comes from such as the sale if drilling permits, or oil royalties, from Federal Land, for instance

    Dems saw that they had lost their political edge on this in the Senate. So they needed a do-over. As others have noted, the Senate GOP was fine cause they wanted to go home, and don't have much of a dog in this hunt right now. House GOP needed the demonstration before they left town. We got a big fight coming in February.

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    Re: House Republicans Cave on Payroll Tax Cuts Extension

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    LOL ... nothing "pathetic" here. As I noted in a concurrent thread on this, Boehner made what is known in the Military as a "Demonstration".
    actually your attempt at spin is 'pathetic'
    boner stepped on his dick

    Obama needs to make Febraury a big mess. The goal of the original payroll tax cut is to be a wedge issue for Obama. To prop up the class-envy issue. Just like the Occutard astro-turf. The goal by the Dems for Feb is to make a mess. Obama must have the populace blaming the GOP for protecting the rich.
    the republicans can be counted on to make a big mess. they have no vision other than to subvert any efforts by Obama to get us out of the ditch the republicans placed us in
    the GOP IS protecting the rich. thanks to Occupy, that has now become very evident to the general public

    So Boehner demonstrated.
    no. boner whiffed. struck out looking (stupid)

    2-3 days of being sure to have it on record that Obama did not want to get a one year deal so that the problem would be "solved already" when the blame mud is slung in February. Cantor even made the crack that Obama could bring his dog to negotiations. That line serves but one purpose. To be remembered.
    for those of us who dwell in this place called reality, the house version was VERY different from the senate plan. the house proposed to impose tighter rules for unemployment benefits, blocked air pollution rules pertaining to coal fired devices, and cut more than $20 billion in spending under Obamacare

    and Obama came forward and publicly scolded the house into finally voting for the senate plan. undermining the criticism that he shows weak leadership

    this was a gift, wrapped by boner, to be publicly delivered to the president
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    Re: House Republicans Cave on Payroll Tax Cuts Extension

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Yes. these programs are unconstitutional.




    I don't need a nanny state...Maybe you can't manage your own money, but that is not my problem.

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    That's all fine and good, but millions have paid their own money into the program for 30-40 years. So we now end the program? I don't think so, unless you want millions of seniors picking up guns and going out to get their money back.
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    Re: House Republicans Cave on Payroll Tax Cuts Extension

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
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    no. boner whiffed. struck out looking (stupid)

    for those of us who dwell in this place called reality, the house version was VERY different from the senate plan. the house proposed to impose tighter rules for unemployment benefits, blocked air pollution rules pertaining to coal fired devices, and cut more than $20 billion in spending under Obamacare

    and Obama came forward and publicly scolded the house into finally voting for the senate plan. undermining the criticism that he shows weak leadership

    this was a gift, wrapped by boner, to be publicly delivered to the president
    LOL ...... I would ask anyone, rhetorically, given that the Senate GOP passed the two month deal overwhelmingly, how we are all so much smarter politically than Boehner and Cantor and the rest to not realize that had they chose to fight this battle now, to truly stop the deal, that they could possibly sustain poltically ? We new it, they knew it. Everyone knew it.

    It was a simple Demonstration, designed to gain some political arrows for the coming fight.

    For you Unbubba, or for anyone, to think that this will matter two beans against Boehner or the House GOP even next week is the stuff of ......... falling for the Demonstration . Boehner got everything he wanted out of these last few days.

    Tell me Unbubba, as my spin is so pathetic Is this the new Democrat legislative process ? Two month bills ? How long is this going to work for ya
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    Re: House Republicans Cave on Payroll Tax Cuts Extension

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    meh. it gives people piddling sums in return for weakening social security, and not increasing hiring. woopee.
    Yet, by making a big deal of it, both parties seem to think that they can somehow win points.

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    though by de-linking taxes with benefits, the Democrats may have made a strategic error.
    That happened several decades ago, didn't it, when Johnson put the SS "trust fund" into the general fund in order to fund a war and the "great society" at the same time? It has been a de facto tax on the middle class and working poor ever since.

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    this is incorrect. Both Republicans and Democrats wanted to extend it for a year (Obama has now called for 4 years). Democrats, however, can't figure out how to pay for it in a manner that can pass even the Senate, and Republicans passed a year long bill in the House, but tied it to making the President decide yea or nay on the Keystone pipeline. So democrats punted the can down the road for two months (we'll be having this conversation again at the end of February).
    Oh, that makes sense. They're engaged in partisan gamesmanship, as usual. The Democrats can't possibly make a decision on the Keystone project, as they would either anger the environmentalists or labor, depending on how they decided, so they want to wait until after the election to decide.

    and, of course, no one can figure out how to pay for yet another tax cut. There is no way to pay for another tax cut. The Congress is operating in Never Never land mode.

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    both parties have managed to lose, though Obama wins.
    Obama wins? He wins because he doesn't have to make a decision that would lose points regardless of what he decides until after the election, is that how he wins?

    Meanwhile, the country loses.

    What a sorry situation.
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    Re: House Republicans Cave on Payroll Tax Cuts Extension

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    That's all fine and good, but millions have paid their own money into the program for 30-40 years. So we now end the program? I don't think so, unless you want millions of seniors picking up guns and going out to get their money back.

    Yeah, go ahead and give that a go....See how it turns out for ya. But yes do away with it. Let that be a lesson in what placing blind trust in government to take care of you does.

    Tell me, remember when there was such a conniption fit thrown when Bush wanted to allow people to opt 3% of their contribution each week toward their own investment? At least that would have produced some kind of return, now we have Obama using 1/3 of the contribution as a wedge for his class warfare....But that's ok right?



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    Re: House Republicans Cave on Payroll Tax Cuts Extension

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Yes. these programs are unconstitutional.

    Will you be cashing your social security checks or using medicare if needed? You paid into the program for many years and now you believe the benefits should be cut?




    I don't need a nanny state...Maybe you can't manage your own money, but that is not my problem.

    j-mac
    I'm actually a CPA and perfectly capable of managing my money. The fact is events occur in life that can drastically alter you finances and they are beyond your control. But I think you hit on something here, the attitude "that's not my problem".

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    Re: House Republicans Cave on Payroll Tax Cuts Extension

    Quote Originally Posted by kpt018 View Post
    I'm actually a CPA and perfectly capable of managing my money. The fact is events occur in life that can drastically alter you finances and they are beyond your control. But I think you hit on something here, the attitude "that's not my problem".

    It's not. Are you saying that someone who doesn't have the foresight to plan for their later years holds a claim to my labor, simply because I did?


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    Re: House Republicans Cave on Payroll Tax Cuts Extension

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    It's not. Are you saying that someone who doesn't have the foresight to plan for their later years holds a claim to my labor, simply because I did?


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    please document these persons you insist "holds a claim to my labor"
    for extra points, show us the actual claim
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    Re: House Republicans Cave on Payroll Tax Cuts Extension

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    please document these persons you insist "holds a claim to my labor"
    for extra points, show us the actual claim
    I believe that the point that kpa is pointing out is that there is a problem with me saying that those that don't plan for their future not being my problem, is a social problem...So I ask the question....Gheeze, must we explain everything?


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