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    Re: House Republicans Cave on Payroll Tax Cuts Extension

    The Democrats didn't force the Republican House to reverse itself, it was the Republicans in the Senate, the Party "establishment" and their home constituents who read them the "riot act."

    Leave it to the Republicans in the House to breathe new life in Democrat campaign for 2012.

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    Re: House Republicans Cave on Payroll Tax Cuts Extension

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    I wouldn't call that caving. I would say that, for a change, they are being reasonable.

    Article is here.
    what? the two month "extension" is an irresponsible piece of crap. the House sent up a one-year option, which is what the President wanted, and what apparently both sides felt was called for.

    THIS however, is a twisted joke. What employer is going to alter his hiring practices based on two thirds of a single quarter of a year, which comes with increased costs in complexity and difficulty in reporting? And for this we are raiding Social Security, weak as it already is?!?

    Responsibility? Ask the party that hasn't proposed or passed a budget for two years, much less demonstrated the ability to simply pass a piece of paper saying "oh yeah, the payroll tax cut for one more year (or more. whether we keep it or get rid of it, employers need predictability), and this is how we pay for it".
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    Re: House Republicans Cave on Payroll Tax Cuts Extension

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    I have to admit to an imperfect understanding of this issue.

    First, the original tax cut was a Democrat idea, was it not? Cut payroll taxes, which are supposed to have been Social Security taxes, but have been spent on anything and everything for decades, in order to put a few more bucks in the pockets of the middle class and working poor. OK, so far.
    meh. it gives people piddling sums in return for weakening social security, and not increasing hiring. woopee.

    Of course, the issue of keeping SS alive while cutting the tax hasn't been addressed.
    though by de-linking taxes with benefits, the Democrats may have made a strategic error.

    Then, the Republicans want to extend the tax cuts for a year, while the Democrats want to extend their own idea for two months.
    this is incorrect. Both Republicans and Democrats wanted to extend it for a year (Obama has now called for 4 years). Democrats, however, can't figure out how to pay for it in a manner that can pass even the Senate, and Republicans passed a year long bill in the House, but tied it to making the President decide yea or nay on the Keystone pipeline. So democrats punted the can down the road for two months (we'll be having this conversation again at the end of February).

    both parties have managed to lose, though Obama wins.

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    Re: House Republicans Cave on Payroll Tax Cuts Extension

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Well, if you REALLY believe that BS, then you might as well start calling the Wall Street Journal, Mitch McConnell, John McCain, 39 GOP Senators, and even Karl Rove Obama supporters. LOL.
    LOL ... and the current two month extension does what ? Keeps it an issue for the election, to unfold again in an attempt by the Dems if Feb to pin the blame tail to the GOP. Have you ever seen a two-month tax cut bill such as this before ?

    All Boehner was doing was putting the House GOP on record for the Feb fight.

    Watch an learn.

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    Re: House Republicans Cave on Payroll Tax Cuts Extension

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Nah, it's actually a game changer. It's the first time the Democrats had the balls to call Boehner's bluff, and he folded big time.

    In the meantime, Obama is polling better and better against both of the Republican frontrunners....
    BS. Two weeks ago it was Obama who was demanding a full one year extension of the tax holiday bill.

    Dems were simply looking for a campaign issue. The full one year extension will be in place soon. They could have hammered out the full year extension easily before the end of the year if they weren't playing politics.

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    Re: House Republicans Cave on Payroll Tax Cuts Extension

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    i think you are right about boehner.
    The Mayans must be right. If we are agreeing so much lately, the world must be coming to an end !!

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    Re: House Republicans Cave on Payroll Tax Cuts Extension

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    BS. Two weeks ago it was Obama who was demanding a full one year extension of the tax holiday bill.

    Dems were simply looking for a campaign issue. The full one year extension will be in place soon. They could have hammered out the full year extension easily before the end of the year if they weren't playing politics.
    And the blame game continues.

    The short-term extension was a compromise to buy time for more negotiations. In other words, it's better than nothing. Blaming the Dems for it, after the pathetic showing by House Republicans this week, is laughable. Even they have stopped trying. You would be smart to follow their lead.
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    Re: House Republicans Cave on Payroll Tax Cuts Extension

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    And the blame game continues.

    The short-term extension was a compromise to buy time for more negotiations. In other words, it's better than nothing. Blaming the Dems for it, after the pathetic showing by House Republicans this week, is laughable. Even they have stopped trying. You would be smart to follow their lead.
    LOL ... nothing "pathetic" here. As I noted in a concurrent thread on this, Boehner made what is known in the Military as a "Demonstration".

    Obama needs to make Febraury a big mess. The goal of the original payroll tax cut is to be a wedge issue for Obama. To prop up the class-envy issue. Just like the Occutard astro-turf. The goal by the Dems for Feb is to make a mess. Obama must have the populace blaming the GOP for protecting the rich.

    So Boehner demonstrated. 2-3 days of being sure to have it on record that Obama did not want to get a one year deal so that the problem would be "solved already" when the blame mud is slung in February. Cantor even made the crack that Obama could bring his dog to negotiations. That line serves but one purpose. To be remembered.

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    Re: House Republicans Cave on Payroll Tax Cuts Extension

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    The short-term extension was a compromise to buy time for more negotiations. In other words, it's better than nothing. Blaming the Dems for it, after the pathetic showing by House Republicans this week, is laughable. Even they have stopped trying. You would be smart to follow their lead.
    It may have been but I believe if Reid had promoted the conference and expedited it some a compromise could have been reached by the end of the year for a full year of tax cuts. The two bills are not that far apart at the core (Keystone, UI, doc fix and funding). As I have said previously the fringe issues (drug testing, GED/training, SS# for ill aliens) in the House bill should and would have been acquiesced. IMO the Senate proposed the short term extension compromise to get home for the holidays and nothing more.

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    Re: House Republicans Cave on Payroll Tax Cuts Extension

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    I wouldn't call that caving. I would say that, for a change, they are being reasonable.

    Article is here.
    Promoting your usual fake conservatism again.
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