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    Re: House Republicans Cave on Payroll Tax Cuts Extension

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    What I'm saying is that Americans were sick to death of the brinksmanship going back to the debt limit fiasco, and this is damned big piece of straw to toss onto that camel's back.
    They may be but are they getting the full story? Do they know how is this getting paid for SPECIFICALLY? Is this sustainable or are we throwing another log on the debt bonfire? Is it ‘I want what I want now’ to hell with the consequences down the road? Is this the responsible way to address our future or a mere gimmick to pander to the populous? To be sure these decisions have consequences and we must be pragmatic on how we arrive at them.

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    Re: House Republicans Cave on Payroll Tax Cuts Extension

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackstone View Post
    Of course we knew this coming out of the 2010 election and yet John Boehner received no competition for the position. In 2012, as important as it is for Republicans to gain control of both chambers, of equal importance is the election of caucus leadership that rejects the business-as-usual establishment types like Mitch McConnell and Boehner and replaces them with leadership from the base/Tea Party. The election of a Republican president makes that even more integral to the success of conservatism in Washington.
    Republicans already control the senate; and they have more most of the past decade.... save a one year period in 2009. Republicans are likely to lose the house.

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    Re: House Republicans Cave on Payroll Tax Cuts Extension

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Okay, I'll bookmark your post and we'll talk about it then. Boehner can explain why he won't accept an extension of the compromise bill that Senate Republicans are very happy with. Should be good.

    btw, if you think Boehner's going to risk looking like an even bigger douche in two months, you better think again.
    I hope we can exchange on this when that mess unfolds, because it will be a mess.

    Senate Republicans are off the table, btw. All of 10 of them are up for reelection in November ? While 23 Dems are ? Do I have that right ? And none of the gOP seats are in danger. Meanwhile, all the House seats are up, as you know. The Senate GOP did just as the Senate Dems did. "Let's go home for the holidays". Boehner snatched one more arrow to put in his quiver for that February mess is all.

    Boehner and Cantor had already read the Tea Leaves. Even a blind bowling ball could see there was zero traction to make this fight, this week. But they got their press, their sound-bites, and will now save them for two months.

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    Re: House Republicans Cave on Payroll Tax Cuts Extension

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    I'm not saying that people are going to look back at this incident and pull the lever another way because of it. What I'm saying is that Americans were sick to death of the brinksmanship going back to the debt limit fiasco, and this is damned big piece of straw to toss onto that camel's back.
    Not this week its not. That straw is the February fight. And I agree that such fight will put many politicians in crosshairs. That is why this maneuver by Boehner now.

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    Re: House Republicans Cave on Payroll Tax Cuts Extension

    I have to admit to an imperfect understanding of this issue.

    First, the original tax cut was a Democrat idea, was it not? Cut payroll taxes, which are supposed to have been Social Security taxes, but have been spent on anything and everything for decades, in order to put a few more bucks in the pockets of the middle class and working poor. OK, so far.

    Of course, the issue of keeping SS alive while cutting the tax hasn't been addressed.

    Then, the Republicans want to extend the tax cuts for a year, while the Democrats want to extend their own idea for two months.

    and, finally, they cave and the Democrats get their way, which is to continue the tax cuts they initiated only two months instead of a year.

    I must be missing something here.
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    Re: House Republicans Cave on Payroll Tax Cuts Extension

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    I have to admit to an imperfect understanding of this issue.

    First, the original tax cut was a Democrat idea, was it not? Cut payroll taxes, which are supposed to have been Social Security taxes, but have been spent on anything and everything for decades, in order to put a few more bucks in the pockets of the middle class and working poor. OK, so far.

    Of course, the issue of keeping SS alive while cutting the tax hasn't been addressed.

    Then, the Republicans want to extend the tax cuts for a year, while the Democrats want to extend their own idea for two months.

    and, finally, they cave and the Democrats get their way, which is to continue the tax cuts they initiated only two months instead of a year.

    I must be missing something here.
    Maybe I can help. This beast that is the payroll-tax cuts was created solely to be used as a wedge issue. The Democrats had a plan on the table to extend it for a year ..... by adding a surtax to those making over $1 million of 3.5% on top of their already high rate. And while the tax cut extension was only for one year, the surcharge was eternal. But it fits Obama's class warfare reelection nonsense.

    I don't think the Dems so much as wanted the increase, as they did hope that the GOP would not go along, and they then had the common folks suffering, because the GOP were "protecting the rich". The GOP hit back by getting the pipeline, and its jobs, in the mix, such that Dems would have to vote for the pipeline now, which they do not want to do. So the 2-month thing was just kicking the can while the Dems refigure the politics on this.

    What Obama wants most on this extension, and you can bank it, is for it to stalemate a bit, but with the blame being on the GOP for protecting their rich buddies. He wants that more than he does a solution that has no fanfare.

    February is going to be a massive maneuver of the blame-game. Because that is Obama. The inept President. The worst President ever.

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    Re: House Republicans Cave on Payroll Tax Cuts Extension

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    I have to admit to an imperfect understanding of this issue.

    First, the original tax cut was a Democrat idea, was it not? Cut payroll taxes, which are supposed to have been Social Security taxes, but have been spent on anything and everything for decades, in order to put a few more bucks in the pockets of the middle class and working poor. OK, so far.

    Of course, the issue of keeping SS alive while cutting the tax hasn't been addressed.

    Then, the Republicans want to extend the tax cuts for a year, while the Democrats want to extend their own idea for two months.

    and, finally, they cave and the Democrats get their way, which is to continue the tax cuts they initiated only two months instead of a year.

    I must be missing something here.
    Also add that this two month extension is paid for by a brand new PERMANENT fee on new mortgages.

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    Re: House Republicans Cave on Payroll Tax Cuts Extension

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    They may be but are they getting the full story? Do they know how is this getting paid for SPECIFICALLY? Is this sustainable or are we throwing another log on the debt bonfire? Is it ‘I want what I want now’ to hell with the consequences down the road? Is this the responsible way to address our future or a mere gimmick to pander to the populous? To be sure these decisions have consequences and we must be pragmatic on how we arrive at them.
    Not sure if they know it, but it is being paid for, it is sustainable, and we aren't throwing another log on the debt bonfire. It's no more nor less than a good way to stimulate the economy when stimulus is needed.

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    Re: House Republicans Cave on Payroll Tax Cuts Extension

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    Maybe I can help. This beast that is the payroll-tax cuts was created solely to be used as a wedge issue. The Democrats had a plan on the table to extend it for a year ..... by adding a surtax to those making over $1 million of 3.5% on top of their already high rate. And while the tax cut extension was only for one year, the surcharge was eternal. But it fits Obama's class warfare reelection nonsense.

    I don't think the Dems so much as wanted the increase, as they did hope that the GOP would not go along, and they then had the common folks suffering, because the GOP were "protecting the rich". The GOP hit back by getting the pipeline, and its jobs, in the mix, such that Dems would have to vote for the pipeline now, which they do not want to do. So the 2-month thing was just kicking the can while the Dems refigure the politics on this.

    What Obama wants most on this extension, and you can bank it, is for it to stalemate a bit, but with the blame being on the GOP for protecting their rich buddies. He wants that more than he does a solution that has no fanfare.

    February is going to be a massive maneuver of the blame-game. Because that is Obama. The inept President. The worst President ever.
    Well, if you REALLY believe that BS, then you might as well start calling the Wall Street Journal, Mitch McConnell, John McCain, 39 GOP Senators, and even Karl Rove Obama supporters. LOL.
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    Re: House Republicans Cave on Payroll Tax Cuts Extension

    If Boehner hadn't caved the GOP would almost certainly have lost control of the house in 2012. Even with him caving, he has done substantial damage to the GOP. I just can't even comprehend how he could have been so boneheaded...

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