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    Re: House Republicans Cave on Payroll Tax Cuts Extension

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    I think everyone knew this would happen. They backed themselves into a corner that had no exit.

    Major Garrett wrote an article that predicted they would accept the 2 month deal in exchange for the Senate appointing a conference committee to iron out the differences.

    I'm not sure Boehner is cut out to be Speaker of the House.
    Yes, but possibly for reasons other than what is being said.

    What if Boehner expected to have to "cave" ? That he knew this ploy would change nothing now ? What was gained, or lost ? What was the plan then ?

    First off, nothing is lost. Folks will not be voting one party or the other in November based on the last 48 hours. It will be forgotten long before then. For sure, any angst over this tax cut will come up again, with a whole new life, in two months. However both sides posture then, play chicken then, draw the ire of the American people then, Boehner can say "unfortunately, this is because the Dems kicked the can in December. The House Republicans wanted to avert this mess ". Will it be worth any political leverage then ? I think a bit. What is certain is that none was lost now.

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    Re: House Republicans Cave on Payroll Tax Cuts Extension

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    Yes, but possibly for reasons other than what is being said.

    What if Boehner expected to have to "cave" ? That he knew this ploy would change nothing now ? What was gained, or lost ? What was the plan then ?

    First off, nothing is lost. Folks will not be voting one party or the other in November based on the last 48 hours. It will be forgotten long before then. For sure, any angst over this tax cut will come up again, with a whole new life, in two months. However both sides posture then, play chicken then, draw the ire of the American people then, Boehner can say "unfortunately, this is because the Dems kicked the can in December. The House Republicans wanted to avert this mess ". Will it be worth any political leverage then ? I think a bit. What is certain is that none was lost now.
    You're dreaming. Boehner looks like the world's biggest asshole. He's getting reamed by his own party, and it just adds to the boiling rage so many Americans are feeling over this political brinksmanship.

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    Re: House Republicans Cave on Payroll Tax Cuts Extension

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    You're dreaming. Boehner looks like the world's biggest asshole. He's getting reamed by his own party, and it just adds to the boiling rage so many Americans are feeling over this political brinksmanship.
    This is a non event in two days. The only way it was going to count was if folks actually had it impact their early-January wages. Two months from now I see this providing some extra cover for the House GOP. It does nothing for the Dems beyond whatever yuk-yuk they get tomorrow. That's it.

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    Re: House Republicans Cave on Payroll Tax Cuts Extension

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    This is a non event in two days. The only way it was going to count was if folks actually had it impact their early-January wages. Two months from now I see this providing some extra cover for the House GOP. It does nothing for the Dems beyond whatever yuk-yuk they get tomorrow. That's it.

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    Nah, it's actually a game changer. It's the first time the Democrats had the balls to call Boehner's bluff, and he folded big time.

    In the meantime, Obama is polling better and better against both of the Republican frontrunners....

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    Re: House Republicans Cave on Payroll Tax Cuts Extension

    this was a stupid hill to die on.

    the Republicans are fighting the perception that they are only the party of the rich. they are on the record now as resorting to brinksmanship against continuing a tax cut for the poorest. not to mention that this particular cut undermines a program that they have been unhappy with for 76 years. it should have been obvious that in our present economy, this battle was not winnable.

    the underlying problem remains : people need the 40 bucks a paycheck and endless unemployment benefits because wages have stagnated for decades and too many people are out of work. social security is going to need serious help, as well, if it is to continue. funding will have to be thoroughly reexamined or people my age will never collect.

    importing everything and exporting jobs has serious consequences that are not reflected in retail prices. we're going to have to find some way to employ the unemployed. the other choice is entitlements. choose wisely.

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    Re: House Republicans Cave on Payroll Tax Cuts Extension

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Nah, it's actually a game changer. It's the first time the Democrats had the balls to call Boehner's bluff, and he folded big time.

    In the meantime, Obama is polling better and better against both of the Republican frontrunners....
    LOL .... and just what game has been changed here ? Nothing. As I said, all this is a none issue come February, when they have to get the deal to cover the rest of the year. This "game changer" enables the House GOP to illustrate what happens when the can gets kicked. You can bet that this will be mentioned then, and it will only work to the benefit of the House GOP at that time.

    Boehner gets the last laugh on this.

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    Re: House Republicans Cave on Payroll Tax Cuts Extension

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    LOL .... and just what game has been changed here ? Nothing. As I said, all this is a none issue come February, when they have to get the deal to cover the rest of the year. This "game changer" enables the House GOP to illustrate what happens when the can gets kicked. You can bet that this will be mentioned then, and it will only work to the benefit of the House GOP at that time.

    Boehner gets the last laugh on this.
    Okay, I'll bookmark your post and we'll talk about it then. Boehner can explain why he won't accept an extension of the compromise bill that Senate Republicans are very happy with. Should be good.

    btw, if you think Boehner's going to risk looking like an even bigger douche in two months, you better think again.
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    Re: House Republicans Cave on Payroll Tax Cuts Extension

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    Re: House Republicans Cave on Payroll Tax Cuts Extension

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Nah, it's actually a game changer. It's the first time the Democrats had the balls to call Boehner's bluff, and he folded big time.
    I think it is foolishly presumptuous to call it a ‘game changer’ today. The final bill has not been written nor passed. We’ll see.

    BTW, 82 is correct...Americans have a VERY short memory. There is WAY too much crap to be debated in Congress between now and November.

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    Re: House Republicans Cave on Payroll Tax Cuts Extension

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    I think it is foolishly presumptuous to call it a ‘game changer’ today. The final bill has not been written nor passed. We’ll see.

    BTW, 82 is correct...Americans have a VERY short memory. There is WAY too much crap to be debated in Congress between now and November.
    I'm not saying that people are going to look back at this incident and pull the lever another way because of it. What I'm saying is that Americans were sick to death of the brinksmanship going back to the debt limit fiasco, and this is damned big piece of straw to toss onto that camel's back.

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