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    Re: House Republicans Cave on Payroll Tax Cuts Extension

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    No offense, but how old are you? Apparently not old enough to remember Clinton specifically running on a platform of welfare reform!
    Nothing a myopic partisan hack can ever say to me will insult me...I assure you. People 'run' on all sorts of things...btu what do they DO? Hell Obama ran on a platform of open government, closing GITMO, and ensuring constitutional protections for terrorists. How did THAT work out? Bush 1 said no new taxes...go aherad...read his lips...that didnt hold sway either. Clinton fought the welfare reforms...publicly. But he signed them nontheless with a promise to fix them after he signed them, just like he signed DADT and DOMA. Republicans passed the Welfare reform act.

    A better question might be how old are YOU? Im guessing you are somewhere early to mid 20's and read all the partisan crap you need to to formulate your opinions.

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    Re: House Republicans Cave on Payroll Tax Cuts Extension

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    I cannot dispute the truth of the above. But, it is rather common for the president to accept the praise for the good and suffer the slings and arrow for the bad that occurs when in office.
    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    No question. And they SHOULD...thats what they are elected to do...lead. Effective leaders work with congress...both parties...for the good of the country. Clinton was an effective leader. I dont know how he would have fared with the congress we have had for the last decade...
    If Clinton had only kept his dick in his pants, or chosen a better mistress, he would have been near brilliant as President ... almost Reaganesque.

    In any case, both those gentlemen deserve huge credit for working with a Congress from the opposing party, and getting things done that improved the Country, such that they both left things much better than they found them. Both are models of Presidential leadership.

    Not the two assclowns since.

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    Re: House Republicans Cave on Payroll Tax Cuts Extension

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    HAH!!! I just recognized why that was so confusing. That was a crossing of terms faux pas of EPIC failure proportions...DEBT CEILING...not salary cap. Crossed a verbal discussion on sports with a typed discussion on budget. My bad.
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    Re: House Republicans Cave on Payroll Tax Cuts Extension

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Nothing a myopic partisan hack can ever say to me will insult me...I assure you. People 'run' on all sorts of things...btu what do they DO?
    Clinton actually did reform welfare too.

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    Re: House Republicans Cave on Payroll Tax Cuts Extension

    In the tit-for-tat Republicans got some of the reckless slop cleaned up and they got their foot in the door on the pipeline. Actually, it ended a draw to be fought out again after the holidays.

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    Re: House Republicans Cave on Payroll Tax Cuts Extension

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    And the next sentence explains it all : "But after almost a year in office, he has still not spelled out the details or developed a plan."

    Obviously the legislature writes the bills( I've seen the after school special, thanks ), but the President pushes the agenda. And just like our current President, both pushed Health Insurance reform out of the gate with his majority in Congress rather than his campaign promises( "three letter word. j-o-b-s", yes, I know that was Biden, but the economy was the President's campaign ).
    As someone noted above, he did in fact sign welfare reform into law, as promised. As far as I know he didn't promise to do it in year one of his presidency.

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    Re: House Republicans Cave on Payroll Tax Cuts Extension

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    He ran on it...but openly opposed the version passed by the GOP congress even though he signed it. He vowed to go back and 'fix' it...never happened. He was in many ways a populist. Not unlike the presence and support of the Kyoto Protocol...which he never so much as submitted for passage.

    Saying you are for something...running on something is far different from doing it.

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    Re: House Republicans Cave on Payroll Tax Cuts Extension

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Saying you are for something...running on something is far different from doing it.
    True -- but he did do it. Speaking of inconvenient truths.

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    Re: House Republicans Cave on Payroll Tax Cuts Extension

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    He ran on it...but openly opposed the version passed by the GOP congress even though he signed it. He vowed to go back and 'fix' it...never happened. He was in many ways a populist. Not unlike the presence and support of the Kyoto Protocol...which he never so much as submitted for passage.

    Saying you are for something...running on something is far different from doing it.
    So now you're complaining that he signed a Republican welfare reform bill, after running on welfare reform?

    Give it up.
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    Re: House Republicans Cave on Payroll Tax Cuts Extension

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    Ahh, I see. Reagan didn't end the Cold War, it just ended during his administration. Obama didn't ruin the economy, it as just ruined during his administration. Clintion didn't balance the budget, it's was just balanced during his administration. Gotcha.

    So why all the hate for Obama? It's not like he's doing anything. Crap is just happening during his administration according to you. No reason to blame him right?
    That's pretty accurate, actually, but not totally. The Soviet Union didn't fall until 1991, when Bush I was in office, but the fall started in the '80s, when Reagan was president.

    Which doesn't mean that either Reagan or Bush brought down the Soviets.

    The current mess started in '07, when Bush II was in office.

    Which, doesn't mean that the mess was the fault of Bush II, or of Obama.

    The budget balanced/almost balanced (depending on who you believe) while Clinton was president, which doesn't mean that Clinton balanced it.

    Sometimes, we ascribe a lot more power to the executive branch than it actually has.
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