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Thread: At least 63 killed in co-ordinated Baghdad attacks [edited]

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    Re: At least 63 killed in co-ordinated Baghdad attacks [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Which is probably correct, and if it isn't, so what? Was over a hundred thousand dead, with all of the widows and orphans that implies, plus unknown thousands more injured, really worth it?
    Probably correct? That;s just another way of saying we don't know.

    We can ask ourselves who created all those widows and orphans. Was it the Coalition? I don't think so. And if we don't know the numbers, as is clear, then there is little point in discussing them unless we are trying to paint the Americans, or the Coalition troops, as the villains.. All we do know is that there were a lot of people killed, just as in most wars. Would there have been more killed without the Gulf War? Nobody knows that either, and we shouldn't pretend otherwise.

    There will be plenty more widows and orphans within the next few years, in the Middle East and elsewhere. Perhaps we can start counting them now.

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    Re: At least 63 killed in co-ordinated Baghdad attacks [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    by following through with Bush's plan to withdraw by 12/31/11?

    That's fine, but you know as well as I do that when Bush was in office, he would take the advice of many, including his generals on the ground to make these decisions. And what did Obama do? heard the advice and dismissed it out of hand, and ordered this withdraw based on, I think, political reasons to satisfy his base. And that my friend is not a decision based on anything other than his own narcissistic, half baked notions about what will play in a campaign for re-election, certainly not with the blood of our fallen gave their lives for.


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    Re: At least 63 killed in co-ordinated Baghdad attacks [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and walk you through what happened:



    I think it's pretty plain that I was speaking specifically about the mess that is Iraq. You then responded thusly:



    You, in your own mind, expanded my comment about Iraq to somehow include the whole of the Middle East.

    Thus, you put words in my mouth.
    Iraq was and is an integral part of the Middle East. We cannot view it in isolation from its neighbors and it is a serious mistake to think we can. Surely you must know that it wasn't all Iraqis fighting and creating terrorism in Iraq. It is one war but with many venues.

    The decision to remove US troops was a bad one and will eventually cost many more lives. Barrack Obama has grasped defeat from the jaws of victory and this will be looked upon as one of the greatest blunders, and military defeats, in US history.

    Do not think for a moment that the enemies of America don't realize what has happened. Those who believe they can retreat and withdraw into isolation are foolishly mistaken.

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    Re: At least 63 killed in co-ordinated Baghdad attacks [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Iraq was and is an integral part of the Middle East. We cannot view it in isolation from its neighbors and it is a serious mistake to think we can. Surely you must know that it wasn't all Iraqis fighting and creating terrorism in Iraq. It is one war but with many venues.

    The decision to remove US troops was a bad one and will eventually cost many more lives. Barrack Obama has grasped defeat from the jaws of victory and this will be looked upon as one of the greatest blunders, and military defeats, in US history.

    Do not think for a moment that the enemies of America don't realize what has happened. Those who believe they can retreat and withdraw into isolation are foolishly mistaken.
    That's nonsense. Iraq does not mean much positive for the ME. A free iraq helps Iran more than it hurts, and our actions did more to train and recruit terrorist than anything we could have done.

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    Re: At least 63 killed in co-ordinated Baghdad attacks [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    That's nonsense. Iraq does not mean much positive for the ME. A free iraq helps Iran more than it hurts, and our actions did more to train and recruit terrorist than anything we could have done.

    That may be your opinion, but certainly not fact.


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    Re: At least 63 killed in co-ordinated Baghdad attacks [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    That's nonsense. Iraq does not mean much positive for the ME. A free iraq helps Iran more than it hurts, and our actions did more to train and recruit terrorist than anything we could have done.
    Do you seriously believe, now that the US troops have left, there is now going to be a "free Iraq"???

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    Re: At least 63 killed in co-ordinated Baghdad attacks [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Do you seriously believe, now that the US troops have left, there is now going to be a "free Iraq"???
    That, as always, is up to the Iraqis. It was never ours to say.

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    Re: At least 63 killed in co-ordinated Baghdad attacks [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    That, as always, is up to the Iraqis. It was never ours to say.
    True, however our presence provided a basis for some semblance of stability, regardless of how minor.


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    Re: At least 63 killed in co-ordinated Baghdad attacks [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    True, however our presence provided a basis for some semblance of stability, regardless of how minor.


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    I actually doubt that. But regardless, if we're not occupiers, we have to leave it to them. They will forge their own way one way or another. We should have never been there to begin with.

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    Re: At least 63 killed in co-ordinated Baghdad attacks [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Bush offered them democracy and Obama gave them nearly 3 years of his time. They'd rather blow each other up in true tribal form. Iraq is the problem of Iraqis now. Bring our boys and girls home.

    Now.
    The only problem with the troops coming home now is that it is about 4 years too late. You are precisely correct...all we could EVER do there is give them the OPPORTUNITY of choice. Bush's greatest failing in Iraq was that he didnt express that message loud and clear and give them a very specific deadline. We should have been out of Iraq a loooong long time ago. If the Iraqi people refuse to create for themselves a peaceful country and instead embrace fundamentalism, then they deserve their fate and all we have been doing is prolonging it.

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