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Thread: At least 63 killed in co-ordinated Baghdad attacks [edited]

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    Re: At least 63 killed in co-ordinated Baghdad attacks [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    So, we'll have to wait and see what future historians have to say about the issue.

    If you were an Iraqi, and one of your relatives were among the dead, how would you feel about the American invasion today?
    about the same as one whos relatives were killed by SH. Also may depend on who killed them, terrorist or American/Nato troops.
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    Re: At least 63 killed in co-ordinated Baghdad attacks [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Another Boo "Fact".
    If by Boo fact, you mean real fact, yes. Ask IBC. They admit freely they have not counted all of the deaths. I do, however, notice you once again ignore the point and didn't answer the question. Helps doesn't it?

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    Re: At least 63 killed in co-ordinated Baghdad attacks [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Why is it that a discussion on something like this I should just take your word of what ever number you'd like to pull out of thin air to justify your meme, but in a discussion concerning something else I must provide multitudes of sourcing that you approve of documenting my assertions?

    Seems a little lopsided does it not?


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    Nothing is pulled out of the air j. IBC did eventually get around around to counting. They admittedly have a low count, but their count, double verified (meaning each death reported at least twice), comes to over 100K. Nothing is pulled out of the air. It is clearly osurced, and so often that it should be common knowledge now to anyone who has paid even a passing bit of attention. If you need a link to IBC, I can give it to you or you can get it yourself, or merely remember the few thousand times it's been linked for you before. You see j, mine really is supported, as you never really is.

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    Re: At least 63 killed in co-ordinated Baghdad attacks [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    I don't want this to be one of those "you started it" arguments but when you tell me what your teacher told you, in reference to nothing, that Iraq and the Middle East are not the same, then the whole thing unwinds.

    Nowhere did I make the claim that Iraq and the Middle East was one and the same. Nowhere. And I would never do so. Also nowhere did I say that Islam and the Middle East are one and the same. I would never do that either.

    Now you are making the ridiculous claim that I am the one putting words in your mouth. Maybe you should ask for clarification from that teacher of yours.
    I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and walk you through what happened:

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    There were no options on the table that would've allowed us to leave without throwing the lives spent there down the drain. The entire war was a waste of lives -- not because the cause wasn't noble, but because there's never been a viable plan for success. Sticking around would have done nothing but waste more lives.

    Getting out now was the right thing to do for the US, the Iraqis can sort out the rest on their own.
    I think it's pretty plain that I was speaking specifically about the mess that is Iraq. You then responded thusly:

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Do you really believe that the US can divorce itself from events in the Middle East and go on with business as usual?

    I guess that means the airport gropings can stop now.
    You, in your own mind, expanded my comment about Iraq to somehow include the whole of the Middle East.

    Thus, you put words in my mouth.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: At least 63 killed in co-ordinated Baghdad attacks [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    about the same as one whos relatives were killed by SH. Also may depend on who killed them, terrorist or American/Nato troops.
    I see. So, the Iraqis feel the same about America as about Saddam Hussain. Now, that's worth celebrating.
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    Re: At least 63 killed in co-ordinated Baghdad attacks [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    So, we'll have to wait and see what future historians have to say about the issue.

    If you were an Iraqi, and one of your relatives were among the dead, how would you feel about the American invasion today?
    I'd be pretty mad at Obama.


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    Re: At least 63 killed in co-ordinated Baghdad attacks [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I'd be pretty mad at Obama.


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    When wouldn't you?

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    Re: At least 63 killed in co-ordinated Baghdad attacks [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I'd be pretty mad at Obama.


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    for having ordered the invasion?
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    Re: At least 63 killed in co-ordinated Baghdad attacks [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    for having ordered the invasion?
    No. For essentially treating Iraq like it was for nothing.

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    Re: At least 63 killed in co-ordinated Baghdad attacks [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    No. For essentially treating Iraq like it was for nothing.

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    by following through with Bush's plan to withdraw by 12/31/11?
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