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Thread: At least 63 killed in co-ordinated Baghdad attacks [edited]

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    Re: At least 63 killed in co-ordinated Baghdad attacks [edited]

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    Oh please, are you kidding me? Do a simple google search on "America's aging infrastructure" and you will see that roads, bridges, water/sewer lines, electric grid, etc are all sub par and are in need of repair and upgrade.

    How about we fix OUR country before we try nation building ok?
    Maybe we should have taken the money that we used to subsidize Solyndra and bailout RFK Junior's failing green energy company and spent that on our, "crumbling", infrastructure?

    Our country wasn't broken, before the Libbos took over.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: At least 63 killed in co-ordinated Baghdad attacks [edited]

    It's past time we left Iraq, both because of previously established agreements and because we've done pretty much all we can do there.

    The current violence isn't insurgents trying to unseat the government, it's sectarian violence. The Prime Minister (Shia) is trying to arrest the Vice President (Sunni). The VP, for his part, was out of the capital trying to mend fences between the Kurds and the PM when the warrant was announced -- and now the Kurds are protecting the VP.

    It doesn't matter if we left today or tomorrow or next week or ten years from now -- this right here is the social fault lines of Iraq showing themselves. The government was structured to share power amongst the Shia, Sunni and Kurd, and they're still throwing punches at each other. It's either this, or another Saddam -- a secular dictator who crushes anybody who raises their fist.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

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    Re: At least 63 killed in co-ordinated Baghdad attacks [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    It's past time we left Iraq, both because of previously established agreements and because we've done pretty much all we can do there.

    The current violence isn't insurgents trying to unseat the government, it's sectarian violence. The Prime Minister (Shia) is trying to arrest the Vice President (Sunni). The VP, for his part, was out of the capital trying to mend fences between the Kurds and the PM when the warrant was announced -- and now the Kurds are protecting the VP.

    It doesn't matter if we left today or tomorrow or next week or ten years from now -- this right here is the social fault lines of Iraq showing themselves. The government was structured to share power amongst the Shia, Sunni and Kurd, and they're still throwing punches at each other. It's either this, or another Saddam -- a secular dictator who crushes anybody who raises their fist.

    So Iraq can't survive without a Saddam like character? So some dictators are ok right?


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    Re: At least 63 killed in co-ordinated Baghdad attacks [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Maybe we should have taken the money that we used to subsidize Solyndra and bailout RFK Junior's failing green energy company and spent that on our, "crumbling", infrastructure?

    Our country wasn't broken, before the Libbos took over.
    Increased government spending contributed to the increase of the deficits and the mounting national debt. After failing to win significant spending cuts from the Democratic-controlled Houses in his first term, Reagan largely abandoned the effort in his second. So domestic spending continued to grow, while the lower tax rates failed to provide enough revenue to compensate. The defense buildup also contributed to the deficits. The cost of financing the debt absorbed funds that the government might have used to modernize the nation's infrastructure, especially its transportation system. The ballooning national debt made the American government and economy more dependent on foreign investment. Foreign imports helped American consumers by lowering the cost of goods and keeping inflation down; the other side of this coin was a massive trade imbalance.
    American President: Ronald Wilson Reagan: Domestic Affairs

    That was under Reagan.

    The ASCE has been releasing report cards on our nation's infrastructure every 4 years since 1998. The overall grade has consistently been a "D" and the estimated cost for getting us up to snuff nationwide continues to grow (they currently estumate $2.2T over the next 5 years).

    Our country has had a long-standing infrastructure problem under the leadership of both parties.

    TL;DR: STFU.
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    Re: At least 63 killed in co-ordinated Baghdad attacks [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    So Iraq can't survive without a Saddam like character? So some dictators are ok right?


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    No, there's a third option -- break Iraq up into three countries, rather than force three distinct cultures to butt heads with one another within the artificially drawn borders of one nation. I didn't mention it because it'll never happen.
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    Re: At least 63 killed in co-ordinated Baghdad attacks [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    No, there's a third option -- break Iraq up into three countries, rather than force three distinct cultures to butt heads with one another within the artificially drawn borders of one nation. I didn't mention it because it'll never happen.

    I believe that the Biden plan was roundly laughed off the planet was it not?


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    Re: At least 63 killed in co-ordinated Baghdad attacks [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I believe that the Biden plan was roundly laughed off the planet was it not?


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    What's your point?
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    Re: At least 63 killed in co-ordinated Baghdad attacks [edited]

    The war was over before we got there. We had no reason to be there, no mission, no definable national will. It was a bull**** war for bull**** reasons. The Iraqi people did not ask the U.S. to invade them and destroy their infrastructure, commandeer their national resources or slay hundreds of thousands of their people.

    There are no parallels between the establishment of the United States and cluster**** that we have given Iraq. Any idea that there are numerous and incredible similarities is an exercise in dumbassery.










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    Re: At least 63 killed in co-ordinated Baghdad attacks [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    What's your point?
    That partitioning is not the answer. We are constantly chided for meddling in the affairs of the ME, so Obama instead of listening to the Generals on the ground chose to hold steadfast to the complete pull out, and throwing our lives spent there down the drain, so live with the consequence.


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    Re: At least 63 killed in co-ordinated Baghdad attacks [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    That partitioning is not the answer. We are constantly chided for meddling in the affairs of the ME, so Obama instead of listening to the Generals on the ground chose to hold steadfast to the complete pull out, and throwing our lives spent there down the drain, so live with the consequence.
    There were no options on the table that would've allowed us to leave without throwing the lives spent there down the drain. The entire war was a waste of lives -- not because the cause wasn't noble, but because there's never been a viable plan for success. Sticking around would have done nothing but waste more lives.

    Getting out now was the right thing to do for the US, the Iraqis can sort out the rest on their own.
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