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    Re: At least 63 killed in co-ordinated Baghdad attacks [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Bush offered them democracy and Obama gave them nearly 3 years of his time. They'd rather blow each other up in true tribal form. Iraq is the problem of Iraqis now. Bring our boys and girls home.

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    Re: At least 63 killed in co-ordinated Baghdad attacks [edited]

    Does it really matter whether the war is over if the battle continues?

    There's too much theocratic idealism in Iraq for the separate church and state democracy we installed to hold for long.

    We were fairly lucky with the not-so-religious Saddam's iron-fisted stability .. until he aspired to the power of a god.

    As long as there are "unaccounted for" old Soviet nukes, and less available light sweet crude than needed, not only in America, but in places like China where so many of our jobs have been off-shored, if there is also just a twinge of theocratic idealism in the region, you'll find our "presence" there, doing whatever we think is necessary ..

    .. To protect our world piece ..

    .. Of the pie.
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    Re: At least 63 killed in co-ordinated Baghdad attacks [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ontologuy View Post
    Does it really matter whether the war is over if the battle continues?

    There's too much theocratic idealism in Iraq for the separate church and state democracy we installed to hold for long.

    We were fairly lucky with the not-so-religious Saddam's iron-fisted stability .. until he aspired to the power of a god.

    As long as there are "unaccounted for" old Soviet nukes, and less available light sweet crude than needed, not only in America, but in places like China where so many of our jobs have been off-shored, if there is also just a twinge of theocratic idealism in the region, you'll find our "presence" there, doing whatever we think is necessary ..

    .. To protect our world piece ..

    .. Of the pie.

    That's just the point, there isn't going to be a presence in Iraq. So how does that fit your ditty?


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    Re: At least 63 killed in co-ordinated Baghdad attacks [edited]

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    Re: At least 63 killed in co-ordinated Baghdad attacks [edited]

    I seem to recall people claiming that the bombings and violence in Iraq only occurred because of the US troop presence, and thus the US was responsible. Well, now the US is gone, and the bombings continue. So much for that theory.
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    Re: At least 63 killed in co-ordinated Baghdad attacks [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by EagleAye View Post
    I seem to recall people claiming that the bombings and violence in Iraq only occurred because of the US troop presence, and thus the US was responsible. Well, now the US is gone, and the bombings continue. So much for that theory.
    That theory was false from the very beginning. I think there are more folks who argue that the war simply unleashed the Iraqi Pandora's box of sectarian tension and violence.
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    Re: At least 63 killed in co-ordinated Baghdad attacks [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by EagleAye View Post
    I seem to recall people claiming that the bombings and violence in Iraq only occurred because of the US troop presence, and thus the US was responsible. Well, now the US is gone, and the bombings continue. So much for that theory.
    And those people that thought that were wrong.

    The other people who thought wrong were those thinking that hundreds of years of hatred and mistrust between the Shiite and Sunni were just going to go away in a few years and a peaceful democracy was going to happen.

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    Re: At least 63 killed in co-ordinated Baghdad attacks [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Bush offered them democracy and Obama gave them nearly 3 years of his time. They'd rather blow each other up in true tribal form. Iraq is the problem of Iraqis now. Bring our boys and girls home.

    Now.
    I agree. Iraq is up to the Iraqis. No matter how long we stay or how fast we go, this was and will always be the case.

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    Re: At least 63 killed in co-ordinated Baghdad attacks [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Yes, because the $50 billion per year wouldn't disappear into the sea of union payola when compared to this current thief -n- chiefs TRILLION plus vomitorium of frivolous spending for the past three years....GAWD you libs are just ridiculous with your knee jerk criticism sometimes.


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    yes, this sort of thing is much better.

    How the US sent $12bn in cash to Iraq. And watched it vanish

    Special flights brought in tonnes of banknotes which disappeared into the war zone
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    Re: At least 63 killed in co-ordinated Baghdad attacks [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post

    Who said that was better DN? Oh wait, I see, another strawman argument designed to say well they did it too, so it's ok now.....pfft. In that case, $12bn. = $1.3 Trillion per year....Totally!


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