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Thread: At least 63 killed in co-ordinated Baghdad attacks [edited]

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    Re: At least 63 killed in co-ordinated Baghdad attacks [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    The great majority of Muslims are not violent extremist fundamentalists.
    Yes, I know. Otherwise the WOT would be a lot easier. I think we can take it as a given that we are only referring to violent Islam, and those who support it.
    The problem is that the many so readily allow the few to dominate them. And that is a choice...one they get to make.
    Most people, Muslims included, just want to get along with their lives and will frequently allow basic affronts to their customs, culture, laws and dignity if it means they can just be left at peace. Terrorist know this and will chip away in large and small ways to upset the equilibrium of a society or country. The Iraqis will no more be able to determine their own fates than any other Islamic country in the Middle East. We know that not all Muslims in Nigeria are terrorists but we can see what happened Christmas day and the consequences that will have for Nigeria. Just as in the cartoon situation, who will dare speak up?

    Muslims are murdering Christians in ever greater proportion and yet the West talks of Islamophobia". It's getting crazier.

    I have little sympathy for the Iraqi people if they, after all this, refuse to take a stand against the fundamentalists. The bombing that started this OP...that was the act of a few striking out against the many. If the many dont take a stand...then they get precisly what they deserve. That is my position.
    If thats the way it is then the US should never have gotten involved. But it did. This starting wars and never finishing them, while having dozens of stations in places like Germany, is very dangerous. What happened in Nigeria, Egypt, and elsewhere, is going to happen closer to home now.

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    Re: At least 63 killed in co-ordinated Baghdad attacks [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I actually doubt that. But regardless, if we're not occupiers, we have to leave it to them. They will forge their own way one way or another. We should have never been there to begin with.
    First of all, "occupiers" has some connotations that are not at all in line with how we handle ourselves, and you know that.

    Secondly, We, as in all who voted to grant the power to GWB to go in should have taken Saddam out and we did. As a people we may have differing views as to what should have transpired after that, but at this point the country is still better off without Saddam.

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    Re: At least 63 killed in co-ordinated Baghdad attacks [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    If the following article is to be believed, they've got it in hand. In addition to the private security and CIA security on-site, there are military resources at the ready nearby:

    Iraq withdrawal 2011
    There is some good detailed information on that site, thanks. As I said, I think the troop withdraw is less than ideal, it would have been better to leave a few thousand soldiers IMO, but we did not have much choice. That being said, given the circumstances I think we made the best decision we could have. There is nothing to say the state department won't do a good job, they just have never done something to this scale without the aid of the military.

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    Re: At least 63 killed in co-ordinated Baghdad attacks [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    First of all, "occupiers" has some connotations that are not at all in line with how we handle ourselves, and you know that.

    Secondly, We, as in all who voted to grant the power to GWB to go in should have taken Saddam out and we did. As a people we may have differing views as to what should have transpired after that, but at this point the country is still better off without Saddam.

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    Odd that you missread how I used the word occupiers. Not sure if you're having a sentence comprehension problem or just a knee jerk reaction. Try reading it again before I respond.

    Saddam, regardless your we, was of little concern to the US. He was not worth one life, let alone thousands. Iraq lost at best 100 thousand lives, and that isn't even close to counting the displaced and those who died from the other consequences of war. Saddam in no way warrented that kind of cost, espeically years after we let him kill so many. That some can't see that is really sad. But cannot be undone. Nor should anyone lie or pretend that such reckless and destructive actions don't have consequences.

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    Re: At least 63 killed in co-ordinated Baghdad attacks [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Odd that you missread how I used the word occupiers. Not sure if you're having a sentence comprehension problem or just a knee jerk reaction. Try reading it again before I respond.
    Then learn to be clear.

    Saddam, regardless your we, was of little concern to the US. He was not worth one life, let alone thousands. Iraq lost at best 100 thousand lives, and that isn't even close to counting the displaced and those who died from the other consequences of war. Saddam in no way warrented that kind of cost, espeically years after we let him kill so many. That some can't see that is really sad. But cannot be undone. Nor should anyone lie or pretend that such reckless and destructive actions don't have consequences.

    I see you support murderous, thug dictators as long as they are your murderous, thugs. Wonderful....Why do you have so little regard for the lives that Saddam tortured, and snuffed out?


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    Re: At least 63 killed in co-ordinated Baghdad attacks [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I see you support murderous, thug dictators as long as they are your murderous, thugs. Wonderful....Why do you have so little regard for the lives that Saddam tortured, and snuffed out?


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    Not Wanting to sacrifice thousands of American lives to take out a dictator does not equate to supporting dictators.

    Using YOUR logic, that means you would sacrifice hundreds of thousands of soldiers lives right now to take out all the dictators of the world, otherwise you support them. Your logic is completely stupid in that regard.

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    Re: At least 63 killed in co-ordinated Baghdad attacks [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Not Wanting to sacrifice thousands of American lives to take out a dictator does not equate to supporting dictators.

    Using YOUR logic, that means you would sacrifice hundreds of thousands of soldiers lives right now to take out all the dictators of the world, otherwise you support them. Your logic is completely stupid in that regard.
    I guess if you want to use straw arguments to vomit all over the boards...


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    Re: At least 63 killed in co-ordinated Baghdad attacks [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    We are relying on "the Onion" now? Really.....


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    I hear it's up there with CNN.
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    Re: At least 63 killed in co-ordinated Baghdad attacks [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I guess if you want to use straw arguments to vomit all over the boards...


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    No strawman, just using YOUR logic. You were trying to say that just because someone didn't support sacrificing thousands of American lives to take out a dictator, that they supported the dictator.

    Sorry you hate the truth and that your partisan hackery has you completely blinded.

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    Re: At least 63 killed in co-ordinated Baghdad attacks [edited]

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I hear it's up there with CNN.
    Yet the onion is still more truthful than Fox News commentators that you salivate over to give you your next talking point. Go figure

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