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    Re: 2 women share 1st kiss at US Navy ship's return

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    Re: 2 women share 1st kiss at US Navy ship's return

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Funny he never had a problem with this naval tradition before this story...
    To be fair, I don't recall it being brought up in a news piece before this story.

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    Re: 2 women share 1st kiss at US Navy ship's return

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    To be fair, I don't recall it being brought up in a news piece before this story.
    He's been in the military, he knows what every homecoming looks like, lots of reunited couples, lots of kissing, lots of hugging.

    We actually tried in my unit to tell Soldiers not to do this at homecomings, but I told my Commander he's either going to damage moral, discipline, or his homecoming, or worst all three. It damages moral because the last thing a Soldier wants to be told after coming back from a year of war is "don't touch your wife, not even hand holding is permitted." So the Soldier is either going to ignore that instruction, and if we don't punish or at least counsel him for doing it ruins our discipline because it makes it look like what we don't enforce what we say and it makes us look like bad decision makers. Or it harms their moral because it sounds like after all this time we are still worried about little things like "public displays of affection" as opposed to letting Soldiers embrace their wives. Or it ruins the homecoming event because no one is going to stick around for the reception to introduce their wives to their best buddies they've met overseas or tell war stories together, or stick around to really honor those who may have been killed or wounded, so it doesn't help our inter-unit bonds and brotherhood between Soldiers and all our families.

    So you bar PDAs at homecomings, and what do you get in return? Nothing except you can look yourself in the mirror and go "That Soldier didn't get to kiss his wife, but DAMN IT it in the regulations!!" Personally for me regulations have their place but any good leader knows when they need to be bent or ignored, and good Soldiers know they can trust their leader to do so when its in everyone's interests without violating any Army value like integrity.

    I'll give you another example, a Soldier of mine recently had a child who turned out to be deformed and didn't survive a few days after birth. He was going through a lot of ****, and when his wife came to pick him up after I of course gave him permission to leave during the duty day to go with her to arrange funeral services, WITHOUT all the official paperwork of giving him a pass, they embraced as kissed. I didn't do the official paperwork and I didn't stop the PDA, because whether its in the reg or not, now is not the time to say "Excuse me Sergeant, I know you're child just died but I need to go come inside for a moment to fill out this document."
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    Re: 2 women share 1st kiss at US Navy ship's return

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    Re: 2 women share 1st kiss at US Navy ship's return

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    To be fair, I don't recall it being brought up in a news piece before this story.
    You have never seen the famous picture from WW2 of the sailor kissing the woman?
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    Re: 2 women share 1st kiss at US Navy ship's return

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    You have never seen the famous picture from WW2 of the sailor kissing the woman?
    No, I have seen that picture. I just don't recall it being brought up here before in a news piece where he took issue with it. I agree it is still a bull**** double standard and the only reason he is taking issue with it is because it is two women.

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    Re: 2 women share 1st kiss at US Navy ship's return

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Funny he never had a problem with this naval tradition before this story...
    Libbos never bragged about Navy traditions, before...LOL!!

    Now that it's politically correct, Navy traditions are, awesome!
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: 2 women share 1st kiss at US Navy ship's return

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    You have never seen the famous picture from WW2 of the sailor kissing the woman?
    That was on VE day, wasn't it?
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: 2 women share 1st kiss at US Navy ship's return

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Libbos never bragged about Navy traditions, before...LOL!!

    Now that it's politically correct, Navy traditions are, awesome!
    Personally, since I'm not a liberal and I don't believe any one person could even speak so diverse, so undefinable as to its exact members, and so large, I've never had a problem with any Navy tradition I've heard of. And I have heard of this one before this story, I have friends and family who are/were in the Navy. Anyway... I think you can tell by my comments on Army Homecomings that I don't have a problem with public displays of affection on certain occasions, nor am I an Officer who follows the exact lettering of the regulations at all times.

    Also I never had a problem with PDAs in some situations before gays were allowed to serve openly, if I was in charge of an Army Homecoming and DADT was still in place I would make the same argument I told you about earlier when I was speaking with my Commander. If I had a Soldier I knew was gay I would be empathic towards them, since they would be unable to show affection toward their partner, but I wouldn't say or think "Since this gay Soldier can't display affection, no one can because its politically incorrect."

    So anyway back on topic... Where's you're defense of DADT?

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    Re: 2 women share 1st kiss at US Navy ship's return

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Personally, since I'm not a liberal and I don't believe any one person could even speak so diverse, so undefinable as to its exact members, and so large, I've never had a problem with any Navy tradition I've heard of. And I have heard of this one before this story, I have friends and family who are/were in the Navy. Anyway... I think you can tell by my comments on Army Homecomings that I don't have a problem with public displays of affection on certain occasions, nor am I an Officer who follows the exact lettering of the regulations at all times.

    Also I never had a problem with PDAs in some situations before gays were allowed to serve openly, if I was in charge of an Army Homecoming and DADT was still in place I would make the same argument I told you about earlier when I was speaking with my Commander. If I had a Soldier I knew was gay I would be empathic towards them, since they would be unable to show affection toward their partner, but I wouldn't say or think "Since this gay Soldier can't display affection, no one can because its politically incorrect."

    So anyway back on topic... Where's you're defense of DADT?
    Is that the topic of the thread? I thought the topic was two chicks smootching at a ship dock.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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