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    8 US soldiers charged in death of fellow GI

    this is so terribly sad.........and here's are my questions:

    does the military institution breed this kind of pack behavior, and should we start to think about more in depth psychological testing and higher stanards for entrance into the military?

    Eight U.S. soldiers have been charged in the October death of 19-year-old Private Danny Chen, who was found shot to death in a guard tower in Afghanistan. It was first thought that Chen may have commited suicide.

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    and you're right, we don't know the facts. but the military does, and they've deemed this to be negligent homicide/involuntary manslaughter.

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    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: 8 US soldiers charged in death of fellow GI

    Sounds like the result of a severe failure in leadership and unit cohesion. If these guys are found guilty, then the 1LT should be stripped of his commission and all the noncoms should be busted down to private.
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    Re: 8 US soldiers charged in death of fellow GI

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    this is so terribly sad.........and here's are my questions:

    does the military institution breed this kind of pack behavior, and should we start to think about more in depth psychological testing and higher stanards for entrance into the military?




    U.S. News - 8 US soldiers charged in death of fellow GI

    and you're right, we don't know the facts. but the military does, and they've deemed this to be negligent homicide/involuntary manslaughter.
    They'll probably go under trial in a military court.
    At least in South Korea and probably most countries around the world, recruits and conscripts go under heavy psychological testing and training before they enter the military. Considering the high-pressure work and environment, even the toughest can collapse easily
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    Re: 8 US soldiers charged in death of fellow GI

    Quote Originally Posted by Proud South Korean View Post
    They'll probably go under trial in a military court.
    At least in South Korea and probably most countries around the world, recruits and conscripts go under heavy psychological testing and training before they enter the military. Considering the high-pressure work and environment, even the toughest can collapse easily
    I remember taking a test, but I don't remember any "heavy psychological testing" for getting into the US Army. There were tests though. One was signing my name...my recruiter said I did real good.
    We went from sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me to safe spaces.

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    Re: 8 US soldiers charged in death of fellow GI

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Sounds like the result of a severe failure in leadership and unit cohesion. If these guys are found guilty, then the 1LT should be stripped of his commission and all the noncoms should be busted down to private.
    jail time.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

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    Re: 8 US soldiers charged in death of fellow GI

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    I remember taking a test, but I don't remember any "heavy psychological testing" for getting into the US Army. There were tests though. One was signing my name...my recruiter said I did real good.
    Correct me if I'm wrong but they do a battery of such tests at MEPS. I might be off, but there's definitely some sort of psych eval at some point in the enlistment process.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

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    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: 8 US soldiers charged in death of fellow GI

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    I remember taking a test, but I don't remember any "heavy psychological testing" for getting into the US Army. There were tests though. One was signing my name...my recruiter said I did real good.
    exactly the problem.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: 8 US soldiers charged in death of fellow GI

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    I remember taking a test, but I don't remember any "heavy psychological testing" for getting into the US Army. There were tests though. One was signing my name...my recruiter said I did real good.
    I know, if there was ever a test, you could not have gotten in there.
    Just kidding. Seriously, this is a bit shocking. Didn't you get at least some psychological training once you got there?
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    Re: 8 US soldiers charged in death of fellow GI

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    exactly the problem.
    I don't think psychological testing (or lack thereof) is the problem here, given what little we know about the situation. Most people who pass recruit training are already physically and psychologically tougher than 90% of the rest of the population.

    The same thing could have happened in any college fraternity across America. The difference is that officers and noncoms are supposed to watch out for this **** and deal with it as soon as possible, rather than neglecting or even perpetrating it.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: 8 US soldiers charged in death of fellow GI

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    I don't think psychological testing (or lack thereof) is the problem here, given what little we know about the situation. Most people who pass recruit training are already physically and psychologically tougher than 90% of the rest of the population.

    The same thing could have happened in any college fraternity across America. The difference is that Sergeants and Lieutenants are supposed to watch out for this **** and deal with it as soon as possible, rather than neglecting or even perpetrating it.
    The problems is that continued training and deployment makes the fatigue worse. I remember an Army shooting incident about 6 months ago. A Marine killed 2 or 3 people, and his training and performance was very remarkable from what I remember in the news. Even the seemingly invincible sooner or later breaks down
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