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    Re: 8 US soldiers charged in death of fellow GI

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Correct me if I'm wrong but they do a battery of such tests at MEPS. I might be off, but there's definitely some sort of psych eval at some point in the enlistment process.
    There are tests. It is a multiple choice question. I wouldn't consider it heavy...they were basically the same test you took highschool to determine what job you should have.
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    Re: 8 US soldiers charged in death of fellow GI

    Quote Originally Posted by Proud South Korean View Post
    I know, if there was ever a test, you could not have gotten in there.
    Just kidding. Seriously, this is a bit shocking. Didn't you get at least some psychological training once you got there?
    There is a bunch of multiple choice question tests. Since I don't have any psychological education, I really can't say that there were none. There were a bunch of tests at MEPS. There was one to tell if I could learn a second language. I am sure there was a psychological test, but I didn't think it was intense. Definitely not memorable. It was 16 years ago though.
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    Re: 8 US soldiers charged in death of fellow GI

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    There are tests. It is a multiple choice question. I wouldn't consider it heavy...they were basically the same test you took highschool to determine what job you should have.
    The heavy-duty psych evaluation tests are reserved for those who are doing more intense jobs. . . everyone else gets the generic version that anyone can easily trump. Adn even then: likely they're not administered as often as they should be - cue Hassan.

    Being mentally unstable doesn't mean you're stupid - and can't determine whether your thoughts are appropriate or not.

    I passed a psych evaluation test when I was a teen - it was 100 questions and asked a lot of 'do you have thoughts of suicide . . . do you have thougths of self harm . . . do you harm yourself'

    Do they really think I was about to say yes to any of that? Of course not - I wasn't stupid. I could also tell when they rewrote questions and when they asked slightly different questions to determine if you were trying to fool the test. I'm sure some people don't catch all that - but many of us are well aware of normal VS abnormal behaviors and thoughts and know how to keep it quiet.
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    Re: 8 US soldiers charged in death of fellow GI

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Being trained and fit is essential to your function.
    The 'tough tough tough, leadership leadership leadership' is a psychological factor to boost an individual's confidence and performance.

    You're taking emotional, normal humans and trying to shut off what is emotional and what makes them normal - you're going to have problems, no doubt. Taht's the complexity of war - there's no way to completely stop it. They can only do their best to intervene whenever situations arrise and give support as necessary - punish as necessary.

    What's missing from this article is if anyone who could have helped or prevented this from happening knew about it - he told his parents, did he tell anyone else?
    i'm sure we will find out. however, this is not just a case of bullying.

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    Re: 8 US soldiers charged in death of fellow GI

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    i'm sure we will find out. however, this is not just a case of bullying.
    No, it's not. It did begin with bullying most likely - making fun, having a laugh, calling names . . . and escalated. I'm sure there's more to it than that: we're only getting a small part of the whole entire situation here.
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    Re: 8 US soldiers charged in death of fellow GI

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Correct me if I'm wrong but they do a battery of such tests at MEPS. I might be off, but there's definitely some sort of psych eval at some point in the enlistment process.
    the only psychiatric evaluation i remember they asked me at MEPS was if i had ever had any suicidal thoughts, ever did illeagal drugs, or ever have homosexual tendancies...thats it, the rest was physical stuff

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    Re: 8 US soldiers charged in death of fellow GI

    Quote Originally Posted by fishinRod View Post
    the only psychiatric evaluation i remember they asked me at MEPS was if i had ever had any suicidal thoughts, ever did illeagal drugs, or ever have homosexual tendancies...thats it, the rest was physical stuff
    LOL - because having homosexual tendencies is just as bad as wanting to kill yourself. . . there's that 'military intelligence' for you.
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    Re: 8 US soldiers charged in death of fellow GI

    Quote Originally Posted by fishinRod View Post
    the only psychiatric evaluation i remember they asked me at MEPS was if i had ever had any suicidal thoughts, ever did illeagal drugs, or ever have homosexual tendancies...thats it, the rest was physical stuff
    Yep, and I think they asked those at the recruitment office too...before you signed.
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    Damn. I was hoping that they'd finally rounded up Pat Tillman's murderers.
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    Re: 8 US soldiers charged in death of fellow GI

    Even the psych eval for those in "high stress jobs" really isn't that intensive.

    We got asked in a private office if we were ever in a "stressful situation", did we ever feel "overly stressed before", how did we deal with our stress, whether we ever thought about or attempted suicide, and questions like this. The main thing psych evals care about is whether you will commit suicide or do harm to yourself (at least when I went through it). They don't ask, nor look into (as far as I could tell) whether you are likely to do harm to others or bully others when stressed.

    I have seen two contradictory cases for the answers to the suicide questions. One of the girls in my bootcamp division who was supposed to be a nuke got dropped from the program because she said she had thought about committing suicide at 13 during her psych eval. But when I got to nuke school, there was a guy there who had scars on his arms from actually attempting suicide (they went up his arms) when he was younger and he still got to go through school. He claimed he disclosed he tried to commit suicide and it would be hard to hide since there is a physical exam and the scars were pretty prominent.
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