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    Re: Obama says Senate plan ‘only viable way’ to prevent tax hike

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    Is that what Rush told you?
    Did Dems have total control of the House and Senate the first 2 years ?

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    Re: Obama says Senate plan ‘only viable way’ to prevent tax hike

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    Is that what Rush told you?
    I don't listen to Rush, but you are correct. I should have said - Control of the House, the Senate, and the Administration.

    Total control of the country would include me, and as yet, that hasn't happened.

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    Re: Obama says Senate plan ‘only viable way’ to prevent tax hike

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    Is that what Rush told you?
    Who was in charge then?
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    Re: Obama says Senate plan ‘only viable way’ to prevent tax hike

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Nice try, but you suffer from selective quoting. Next time read a little further: [...]
    Reading further does nothing to support your contention that "The House bill NEVER had a requirement that Obama approve the pipeline. "

    Clearly the bill does have that requirement. That it also has a loophole, that the Republicans might want to argue about, does not mean the requirement does not exist.

    The sum of the language is that Obama must approve the pipeline unless he comes up with a pre-defined excuse (national interest), which he must explain to congress.

    If you want to read a little further, you'll also see that if Obama does nothing, then the pipeline becomes approved automatically. Is the intent of this language really all that hard to decipher?
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    Re: Obama says Senate plan ‘only viable way’ to prevent tax hike

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    Did Dems have total control of the House and Senate the first 2 years ?
    No. Total control of the Senate requires 60 votes (to overcome filibuster). Come on... you guys know this, why keep trotting out the intellectually dishonest talking points which have long ago been debunked?

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    Re: Obama says Senate plan ‘only viable way’ to prevent tax hike

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    Did Dems have total control of the House and Senate the first 2 years ?
    No they didn't. With the filibuster, the GOP was able to stymie every bill they wanted to in the Senate, so they effectively had control of it.
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    Re: Obama says Senate plan ‘only viable way’ to prevent tax hike

    House Republicans have gone completely off the reservation here, and nothing shows it better than Mitch McConnell telling Boehner that he should do the right thing.
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    Re: Obama says Senate plan ‘only viable way’ to prevent tax hike

    Come on... you guys know this, why keep trotting out the intellectually dishonest talking points which have long ago been debunked?
    Intellectually dishonest talking points. You mean points like "The GOP doesn't know the value of $40?," or that the top 1% don't pay taxes? Intellectual dishonesty is a nice way of putting it. Just pertaining to the current OP, the entire issue has little to do with the extension of the payroll tax cut. Sentiment across the aisle is that the payroll tax cut must be extended.

    The arguments within the House and Senate have to do with the REST of the bill. All the stuff that has been crammed into it, making it an argument about entitlement reform rather than payroll taxes. And they all know this, but what is presented to the people is that the GOP are trying to increase people's taxes. This is simply not true. It is more than intellectually dishonest... it is an affront to the intelligence of Americans- as if they can't can't see through the smoke and mirrors. And the sad part is, the president's base can't see through it. Which is why the dishonesty is such an effective political tool for this president.

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    Re: Obama says Senate plan ‘only viable way’ to prevent tax hike

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    Reading further does nothing to support your contention that "The House bill NEVER had a requirement that Obama approve the pipeline. "

    Clearly the bill does have that requirement. That it also has a loophole, that the Republicans might want to argue about, does not mean the requirement does not exist.

    The sum of the language is that Obama must approve the pipeline unless he comes up with a pre-defined excuse (national interest), which he must explain to congress.

    If you want to read a little further, you'll also see that if Obama does nothing, then the pipeline becomes approved automatically. Is the intent of this language really all that hard to decipher?
    If the Keystone issue is so rancorous why did the Senate’s version of the tax extension include a similar up/down decision provision? Also, consider the Senate passed this version on a pretty hefty consensus from both sides…something like 89-10.

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    Re: Obama says Senate plan ‘only viable way’ to prevent tax hike

    Quote Originally Posted by kamikaze483 View Post
    Intellectually dishonest talking points. You mean points like "The GOP doesn't know the value of $40?," or that the top 1% don't pay taxes? [...]
    I was speaking of what was being presented here, by people here.

    Quote Originally Posted by kamikaze483 View Post
    [...] what is presented to the people is that the GOP are trying to increase people's taxes. This is simply not true.
    It has a element of truth. The GOP has been trying to reduce (or maintain) the tax load of the wealthy while trying to increase the tax load on the middle class and the poor -- such as all those intellectually dishonest claims from the right about the bottom 47% not paying any federal income taxes being an affront to 'fairness'.

    Other examples are the so-called 'fair tax', which would increase the tax load on the poor while arguably reducing the tax load on the rich, as well as the so-called 'flat tax' which would increase the tax load on the poor, and of course the now defunct (I suppose) Herman Cain 9-9-9 plan. So yes, definitely, if you are on the lower end of the income spectrum then the GOP is indeed trying to increase your taxes -- often at the benefit of the rich.

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