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    Re: Obama says Senate plan ‘only viable way’ to prevent tax hike

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    Agree, that was the point in #64..."I read this as merely a floor protest, another example of political posturing".
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    Re: Obama says Senate plan ‘only viable way’ to prevent tax hike

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Sort of. He promised to veto a bill that REQUIRED him to approve the XL pipeline, but the actual bill just requires him to issue his decision within 60 days, not which way he has to decide it. But, yeah, I think that is part of what happened here. The house Republicans thought they could safely agree to the tax break for the middle class as long as it had something on there about the pipeline because Obama would veto it and they wouldn't have to actually give the middle class a tax break. When it turned out that it would actually go into effect they had to backpedal or else it would actually happen.
    You have posted more unsubstantiated crap in this thread than I thought was possible by anyone. Each post has a new "off the wall" claim and you never provide any proof of your claim.

    The House bill NEVER had a requirement that Obama approve the pipeline. Where do you get this stuff???

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    Re: Obama says Senate plan ‘only viable way’ to prevent tax hike

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Right. 2 months is the compromise to give them more time to work out a deal for the full year. The Democrats have been pushing for the full year from the start, but they couldn't get Republicans in the senate to agree to it in time to avoid the hike going into effect january 1st, so they bought more time to keep trying to find an agreement. The plan is to do it for the whole year, they just need to get enough Republicans on board. This gives them two months to do that.
    More time to get enough Republicans on board? Another two months of kicking the can down the road and hoping for a better outcome? Is it just possible that the reason that there is no agreement is the assumption is that if the Democrats wait another couple of months, maybe the outcome will be different.

    I, for one am tired of this delaying issue. Obama has been in power now for three years. The first two with total control of the country. Nothing got done fiscally except to spend more money we don't have. The latest was the fiasco of delaying a vote on a fiscal issue, turning the decision over to a smaller congress with the proviso that if nothing got done automatic cuts would happen. Now that does not seem acceptable, and so we must pass another delay so we can work it out. Congress cannot even live with their own deal.

    The plan is to do it for a whole 2 years (house), or 2 months ( Senate). There is no 1 year plan. The compromise was to give Obama 6 more months to figure out another way to delay the construction of the pipeline. Something I am against for two reasons. (1) One more 6 month extension will put the decision past the elections. And he will get one more extension. (2) The pipeline makes sense. It will get built. Either China or the US will reap the benefits.

    The Senate doesn't even need to come back to DC to vote. They could either use those 10,000 dollar laptops we provide and vote online, or they could deem the vote passed. That one has already been used, so there is a precedent.
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    Re: Obama says Senate plan ‘only viable way’ to prevent tax hike

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    More time to get enough Republicans on board? Another two months of kicking the can down the road and hoping for a better outcome? Is it just possible that the reason that there is no agreement is the assumption is that if the Democrats wait another couple of months, maybe the outcome will be different.

    I, for one am tired of this delaying issue. Obama has been in power now for three years. The first two with total control of the country. Nothing got done fiscally. The latest was the fiasco of delaying a vote on a fiscal issue, turning the decision over to a smaller congress, with the proviso that if nothing got done automatic cuts would happen. Now that does not seem acceptable, and so we must pass another delay so we can work it out.

    The plan is to do it for a whole 2 years (house), or 2 months ( Senate). Ther is no 1 year plan. The compromise was to give Obama 6 more months to figure out another way to delay the construction of the pipeline. S, something I am against for two reasons. (1) One more 6 month extension will put the decision past the elections. And he will get one more extension. (2) The pipeline makes sense. It will get built. Either China or the US will reap the benefits.

    The Senate doesn't even need to come back to DC to vote. They could either use those 10,000 dollar laptops we provide and vote online, or they could deem the vote passed.
    That one has already been used, so there is a precedent.
    When one side is filibustering almost every single attempt to do something about it, it's no wonder nothing is getting done. And that filibustering is going to be red meat for the Dems too.
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    Re: Obama says Senate plan ‘only viable way’ to prevent tax hike

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    I, for one am tired of this delaying issue. Obama has been in power now for three years. The first two with total control of the country. Nothing got done fiscally. The latest was the fiasco of delaying a vote on a fiscal issue, turning the decision over to a smaller congress, with the proviso that if nothing got done automatic cuts would happen. Now that does not seem acceptable, and so we must pass another delay so we can work it out.
    Nothing got done fiscally? Not the expansion of TARP? Not the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act? Not the GM and Chrysler bailouts? Not Dodd-Frank?

    You've got to be kidding.

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    Re: Obama says Senate plan ‘only viable way’ to prevent tax hike

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Nothing got done fiscally? Not the expansion of TARP? Not the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act? Not the GM and Chrysler bailouts? Not Dodd-Frank?

    You've got to be kidding.
    I edited my post. It now reads that nothing got done fiscally except to spend more money we don't have.

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    Re: Obama says Senate plan ‘only viable way’ to prevent tax hike

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill, replying to another View Post
    [...] The House bill NEVER had a requirement that Obama approve the pipeline. Where do you get this stuff???
    Ummm... from the House bill?

    112TH CONGRESS -- 1ST SESSION
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    H. R. 3630
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    AN ACT to provide incentives for the creation of jobs, and for other purposes.


    SEC. 1002. PERMIT FOR KEYSTONE XL PIPELINE.

    (a) IN GENERAL.—Except as provided in subsection (b), not later than 60 days after the date of enactment of this Act, the President, acting through the Secretary of State, shall grant a permit under Executive Order 13337 [...] for the Keystone XL pipeline project [...]

    http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-1...12hr3630eh.pdf

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    Re: Obama says Senate plan ‘only viable way’ to prevent tax hike

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    Ummm... from the House bill?
    Nice try, but you suffer from selective quoting. Next time read a little further:

    (b) EXCEPTION.—
    20 (1) IN GENERAL.—The President shall not be
    21 required to grant the permit under subsection (a) if
    22 the President determines that the Keystone XL
    23 pipeline would not serve the national interest.
    24 (2) REPORT.—If the President determines that
    25 the Keystone XL pipeline is not in the national in1 terest under paragraph (1), the President shall, not
    2 later than 15 days after the date of the determina3
    tion, submit to the Committee on Foreign Relations
    4 of the Senate, the Committee on Foreign Affairs of
    5 the House of Representatives, the majority leader of
    6 the Senate, the minority leader of the Senate, the
    7 Speaker of the House of Representatives, and the
    8 minority leader of the House of Representatives a
    9 report that provides a justification for determina10
    tion, including consideration of economic, employ11
    ment, energy security, foreign policy, trade, and en12
    vironmental factors.

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    Re: Obama says Senate plan ‘only viable way’ to prevent tax hike

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    [...] Obama has been in power now for three years. The first two with total control of the country. [...]
    Is that what Rush told you?

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