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    Re: Obama says Senate plan ‘only viable way’ to prevent tax hike

    Here is what will happen 1 of 2 actions, First on Dec 29 or 30 House will pass the 2 month bill, second house will pass a one year plan and send to the Senate on Monday Dec. 26th. Either way Obama MUST STAY IN WASHINGTON D.C. AND RUINS HIS VACTION. Luv it.

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    Re: Obama says Senate plan ‘only viable way’ to prevent tax hike

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    A scapegoat? That doesn't make sense. What would they be scapegoating him for? They passed the bill 89-10 in the senate.
    It makes perfect sense. The Senate has been getting hammered by not voting on MANY bills the House has sent up presumable due to their opinion that the House has been over-reaching, as I believe they did in the PR tax bill. They could hold the opinion that Boehner has no control of the House Republicans and thus is ‘poisoning’ the GOP in Congress; someone always has to take the fall. If true, I hope they think on this some as the alternative doesn’t seem more appealing: Cantor…Ryan…whoever…

    All the players had signed off. All he needed to do was call a vote and he refused. You can't "scapegoat" somebody for their own actions.
    All the SENATE players had signed off. PRESUMABLY, Boehner didn’t call the vote because he didn’t have the votes and felt failing to pass the Senate’s version would be more damaging to the GOP than a no vote. Sure you can ‘scapegoat somebody for their own actions’…in Washington DC…with the ravenous media venues available today…are you kidding?

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    Re: Obama says Senate plan ‘only viable way’ to prevent tax hike

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    PRESUMABLY, Boehner didn’t call the vote because he didn’t have the votes and felt failing to pass the Senate’s version would be more damaging to the GOP than a no vote.
    No, it's the other way around. He didn't call a vote because he knew it would pass. There is a procedure in the house where a supermajority can call a vote even if the speaker doesn't want to. The Democrats just started the procedure on the floor to vote to call the vote on the tax break and Boehner adjourned the house right in the middle of it so they couldn't complete the vote.

    GOP adjourns House as Democrats try to call up Senate payroll tax bill - NYPOST.com
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    Re: Obama says Senate plan ‘only viable way’ to prevent tax hike

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    No, it's the other way around. He didn't call a vote because he knew it would pass. There is a procedure in the house where a supermajority can call a vote even if the speaker doesn't want to.
    What kind of ‘supermajority’? Three-fifths? Two-thirds? Source for such procedure, please…And do you think the Democrats had such ‘supermajority’?

    The Democrats just started the procedure on the floor to vote to call the vote on the tax break and Boehner adjourned the house right in the middle of it so they couldn't complete the vote.
    I saw the replay of this SEVERAL times today...in a pro forma session...with VERY few representatives present. You did note in the article that ‘the House and Senate are in pro forma session, which in effect means they have not adjourned but have sent everyone home until they have reason to reconvene and take action’. Where in the article did it state the Democrats had the aforementioned ‘supermajority’ to force the vote? I read this as merely a floor protest, another example of political posturing. You THINK they had the ‘supermajority’ present to force the vote? Really?

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    Re: Obama says Senate plan ‘only viable way’ to prevent tax hike

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    What kind of ‘supermajority’? Three-fifths? Two-thirds?
    Dunno.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    I saw the replay of this SEVERAL times today...in a pro forma session...with VERY few representatives present. You did note in the article that ‘the House and Senate are in pro forma session, which in effect means they have not adjourned but have sent everyone home until they have reason to reconvene and take action’. Where in the article did it state the Democrats had the aforementioned ‘supermajority’ to force the vote? I read this as merely a floor protest, another example of political posturing. You THINK they had the ‘supermajority’ present to force the vote? Really?
    Why do you think he adjourned in the middle of it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Dunno.



    Why do you think he adjourned in the middle of it?
    They adjourned because the course is clear to anyone that has passed 8th grade civics class. And that is to proceed to conference, not have the senate tell congress what to do. Who the Hell does Reid think he is?

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    Re: Obama says Senate plan ‘only viable way’ to prevent tax hike

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Dunno.
    I'll be looking forward to reading the source of this 'supermajority forcing a vote' data.


    Why do you think he adjourned in the middle of it?
    Please try to comprehend what I posted. Currently the House and Senate is in pro forma session which means the vast majority has gone home but CAN be called back as opposed to 'out of session'. 'He' who adjorned the session was Michael G. Fitzpatrick not Boehner. Fitzpatrick is from Pennsylvania so he is handy to serve as Speaker pro tempore. It wasn't that he 'adjorned in the middle of it' but rather Hoyer and Van Hollen stood to protest during the standard proceedure of the typical brief pro forma session. Now, to reitirate the previous question that remains unanswered:

    You THINK they had the ‘supermajority’ present to force the vote? Really?

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    Re: Obama says Senate plan ‘only viable way’ to prevent tax hike

    Quote Originally Posted by Franklind View Post
    Here is what will happen 1 of 2 actions, First on Dec 29 or 30 House will pass the 2 month bill, second house will pass a one year plan and send to the Senate on Monday Dec. 26th. Either way Obama MUST STAY IN WASHINGTON D.C. AND RUINS HIS VACTION. Luv it.
    And you'll probably get four more chances to ruin his vacation while he's stuck at the White House.
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    Re: Obama says Senate plan ‘only viable way’ to prevent tax hike

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    What kind of ‘supermajority’? Three-fifths? Two-thirds? Source for such procedure, please…And do you think the Democrats had such ‘supermajority’?



    I saw the replay of this SEVERAL times today...in a pro forma session...with VERY few representatives present. You did note in the article that ‘the House and Senate are in pro forma session, which in effect means they have not adjourned but have sent everyone home until they have reason to reconvene and take action’. Where in the article did it state the Democrats had the aforementioned ‘supermajority’ to force the vote? I read this as merely a floor protest, another example of political posturing. You THINK they had the ‘supermajority’ present to force the vote? Really?
    I looked around - Hoyer was simply calling for unanimous consent to bring up the bill for a vote. Which he wouldn't have gotten, of course.
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    Re: Obama says Senate plan ‘only viable way’ to prevent tax hike

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    I looked around - Hoyer was simply calling for unanimous consent to bring up the bill for a vote. Which he wouldn't have gotten, of course.
    Agree, that was the point in #64..."I read this as merely a floor protest, another example of political posturing".

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