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    Re: Obama says Senate plan ‘only viable way’ to prevent tax hike

    Speaker John Boehner this morning flatly denied he had ever supported a Senate-passed temporary extension of the payroll tax holiday and vowed that the House will shoot it down today.The Ohio Republican said the House will kill the Senate-passed bill in a vote this evening. The bill would extend for two months a payroll tax cut and benefits for the long-term jobless and would postpone a scheduled pay cut for doctors who serve Medicare patients.
    The House Republican Conference held a rowdy conference call Saturday during which Members said they would not support a two-month extension. Several sources on the call said Boehner indicated that he was inclined to support the bill.
    Boehner Says He Never Backed Senate Payroll Tax Deal : Roll Call News But Dan claims Boehner did agree to it, so obviously we should trust Dan, not the Speaker himself on this.
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    Re: Obama says Senate plan ‘only viable way’ to prevent tax hike

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    No, I don't think so unless 'a while back' means a week or so ago...I'm talking about HR 3630. It passed the House on 12/13/11. My research revealed that the Senate didn't vote on the House bill but rather ammended it and sent it back to the House on 12/17/11.
    Right. A lot happened since that bill. Everybody knew well before the House passed it that it was a non-starter. It was just for show. Realizing that they were getting close to the cut off and that they didn't have a deal yet, McConnell, Reid and Boehner entered negotiations after that bill went to the senate. Boehner gave his proxy to McConnell, meaning that he would let McConnell negotiate on his behalf. Then Boehner publicly announced that he would abide by whatever they decided. When it came out that it might just be for 2 months, he said that was fine and promised to push it through the house in 24 hours. When the senate Republicans and Democrats agreed on a deal, everybody, including Boehner said it was great and was patting themselves on the back. Supposedly Boehner gave McConnell a high five right after the meeting because he was so psyched that the Democrats had given them everything they asked for. Then, right after the senate left, Boehner was approached by the tea party caucus who apparently threatened an all out revolt if he didn't block it and he suddenly changed position and refused to put it up for a vote. When the Democrats tried to force a vote, he adjourned the house.

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    Re: Obama says Senate plan ‘only viable way’ to prevent tax hike

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    The jaded side of me says that they made a really grim calculation. Allowing the payroll tax break to expire means $120 billion less in consumer spending (mostly) this coming year. That means something like 1 million jobs evaporate. It seems to me that they might be thinking "sure, people will be mad at us about this for a few weeks, but they'll forget all about it way before the election, but they won't forget about the unemployment rate and they'll blame Obama for that". I hope they aren't really that cynical about people's lives, but I gotta say, that's how it looks to me at the moment.
    But...but...but...tax cuts won't create jobs! Trickle down doesn't work!

    Ya'll seriously need to get your talking points corresponding each other.
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    Re: Obama says Senate plan ‘only viable way’ to prevent tax hike

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Sort of. He promised to veto a bill that REQUIRED him to approve the XL pipeline, but the actual bill just requires him to issue his decision within 60 days, not which way he has to decide it. But, yeah, I think that is part of what happened here. The house Republicans thought they could safely agree to the tax break for the middle class as long as it had something on there about the pipeline because Obama would veto it and they wouldn't have to actually give the middle class a tax break. When it turned out that it would actually go into effect they had to backpedal or else it would actually happen.
    What with job creation being on the top of his priority list, he would just go ahead and approve the pipeline.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Obama says Senate plan ‘only viable way’ to prevent tax hike

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    What with job creation being on the top of his priority list, he would just go ahead and approve the pipeline.
    And Republicans should give up on outlawing abortion, since that would cost jobs.

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    Re: Obama says Senate plan ‘only viable way’ to prevent tax hike

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Boehner gave his proxy to McConnell, meaning that he would let McConnell negotiate on his behalf. Then Boehner publicly announced that he would abide by whatever they decided. When it came out that it might just be for 2 months, he said that was fine and promised to push it through the house in 24 hours. When the senate Republicans and Democrats agreed on a deal, everybody, including Boehner said it was great and was patting themselves on the back. Supposedly Boehner gave McConnell a high five right after the meeting because he was so psyched that the Democrats had given them everything they asked for.
    Can you source this? #41 seems to contradict these assertions.

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    Re: Obama says Senate plan ‘only viable way’ to prevent tax hike

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    But...but...but...tax cuts won't create jobs! Trickle down doesn't work!

    Ya'll seriously need to get your talking points corresponding each other.
    He wasn't talking about trickle down. Somebody seriously needs to read... of course, that takes more effort than talking.

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    Re: Obama says Senate plan ‘only viable way’ to prevent tax hike

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    But...but...but...tax cuts won't create jobs! Trickle down doesn't work!

    Ya'll seriously need to get your talking points corresponding each other.
    You're mixing a lot of things up. First off, trickle down is about the RICH getting tax cuts, not the middle class. This isn't trickle down. The idea with trickle down is that you give the rich more money, they invest more of it, that spurs the economy. That is definitely true. Nobody disagrees with that all things being equal. The problem with the theory is that investment alone can't fuel the economy. You also need consumer spending, and consumer spending comes from the middle class having money. So, by trying to force too much of the money into the pockets of the rich, the right screwed up the economy. The tradeoff costs of ramming all that money into the pockets of the rich got out of control. Massive deficits, cutting safety net spending, etc. We had a ton of investment, but very little consumer spending because they were screwing the middle class. This is fixing that.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    What with job creation being on the top of his priority list, he would just go ahead and approve the pipeline.
    The pipeline. LOL. 20,000 jobs... This is 1 MILLION jobs at least. 20,000 jobs is basically nothing at the national level.

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    Re: Obama says Senate plan ‘only viable way’ to prevent tax hike

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    And Republicans should give up on outlawing abortion, since that would cost jobs.
    Why go off thread?

    I posted what I understood what both bills included. I am interested in:

    1. Compiling a comprehensive ACCURATE listing of the two.

    2. Seeing if a consensus on DP can be achieved on the illusive compromise suggested endlessly.

    This may be a useless hope but all else seems to be the typical useless partisan crap.

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    Re: Obama says Senate plan ‘only viable way’ to prevent tax hike

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    ...Somebody seriously needs to read... of course, that takes more effort than talking.
    Now who's going ad hom?

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