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    Re: Obama says Senate plan ‘only viable way’ to prevent tax hike

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    Question: If 12 months was the Democrats proposal, and they didn't need the Republican vote to pass the Senate, and they were fairly sure that the house would reject, then why didn't they pass the 12 month bill instead of the 2 month one?
    You are dead wrong. They DID need Republican support to pass the Senate, since it takes 60 votes to beat a filibuster, and that is exactly what Senate Republicans originally did when it first came up.
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    Re: Obama says Senate plan ‘only viable way’ to prevent tax hike

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Let's see who the real knuckle draggers are....

    This two month bill is paid for by placing a permanent monthly fee on everyone's house payment that gets a new mortgage or a refinance of around $17.

    Yep, sounds brilliant. Add to the cost of an already depressed housing market by adding permanent monthly fees that only fund this bill for 2 stinking months.
    The ones who refused to pay for the bill by placing a tax on millionaires.

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    Re: Obama says Senate plan ‘only viable way’ to prevent tax hike

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    Question: If 12 months was the Democrats proposal, and they didn't need the Republican vote to pass the Senate [...]
    They do need the Republican vote to pass the Senate (e.g., filibuster). Please, no more rhetorical falsehoods.

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    Re: Obama says Senate plan ‘only viable way’ to prevent tax hike

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    You should look in a legal dictionary for legal terms:
    The legal definition of shall is no different. It is an imperative. As opposed to "should", or "may".

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    Re: Obama says Senate plan ‘only viable way’ to prevent tax hike

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    Because the bigger answer is that this whole PR tax cut thing is a dinky gimmick BY BOTH PARTIES to try to spur demand. But the predicted demand growth will come at the expense of the stability of Social Security and Medicare. It would make more sense to reduce income tax rates, even temporarily, on whomever. Washington for the last 3 years has been pressing gimmicks to address much more serious structural and systemic issues. If this pandering to the various bases continues the economy will continue to flounder.
    That's your answer. I wonder what the typical Republican in the House would say.
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    Re: Obama says Senate plan ‘only viable way’ to prevent tax hike

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    Because the bigger answer is that this whole PR tax cut thing is a dinky gimmick BY BOTH PARTIES to try to spur demand. But the predicted demand growth will come at the expense of the stability of Social Security and Medicare. It would make more sense to reduce income tax rates, even temporarily, on whomever. [...]
    False.

    It makes more sense to reduce taxes on those who are most likely to spend the tax savings -- the middle class and the poor (if the intent is to stimulate consumption). Given the blood oath the Republicans have taken to not reduce taxes on the poor without reducing taxes on the rich (who would contribute essentially nothing to consumer demand as a result), reducing payroll taxes is a way to work around Republican intransigence (i.e., since the rich do not pay much in the way of payroll taxes, most of the cut goes to the poor and middle class instead of the rich).

    The Republicans do not like the poor and middle class getting a break, while the rich do not, so they are doing everything possible to poison the payroll tax cut extension, or at least extract as much blood from Obama as possible, in the way of attachments such as the XL pipeline. Quite simply the GOP is fueled by hate and greed, which has been supercharged by the Tea Party caucus.

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    Re: Obama says Senate plan ‘only viable way’ to prevent tax hike

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    That's your answer. I wonder what the typical Republican in the House would say.
    Because 'my answer' is to 'reduce income tax rates' and the Republicans signed the Norquist pledge I can only assume they would agree to REDUCE rates on whoever. Am I missing something?

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    Re: Obama says Senate plan ‘only viable way’ to prevent tax hike

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Very good..... Obama SHALL approve the pipeline UNLESS he doesn't want to. [...]
    Another intellectually dishonest claim. The truth:

    Obama SHALL approve the pipeline UNLESS he finds it NOT IN THE NATIONAL INTEREST. If he finds it not in the national interest, he SHALL file a timely report with various people, some of whom likely hate his guts, EXPLAINING WHY he does not find it in the national interest.

    At that point we can safely assume a back-stabbing media campaign will begin, quite possibly including legal action to rule his non-national-interest reasoning null and void, allowing the pipeline project to proceed.

    The House bill DOES NOT ALLOW Obama to merely refuse to approve the pipeline "because he doesn't want to".



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    Re: Obama says Senate plan ‘only viable way’ to prevent tax hike

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    You should look in a legal dictionary for legal terms:
    You should learn to provide cites.

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    Re: Obama says Senate plan ‘only viable way’ to prevent tax hike

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    Given the blood oath the Republicans have taken to not reduce taxes on the poor without reducing taxes on the rich...
    Please proved source for such...thanks

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    The Republicans do not like the poor and middle class getting a break...
    And source this also...


    And, again if this Keystone thingy was so rancorous why did Senate Democrats pass their version with the SAME LANGUAGE?

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