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    Re: Obama says Senate plan ‘only viable way’ to prevent tax hike

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    Question: If 12 months was the Democrats proposal, and they didn't need the Republican vote to pass the Senate, and they were fairly sure that the house would reject, then why didn't they pass the 12 month bill instead of the 2 month one?
    Another bigger question - if Republicans are so gung ho on tax cuts, why not propose making this one permanent? Makes the 2 months vs. 12 months thing seem kind of silly.
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    Re: Obama says Senate plan ‘only viable way’ to prevent tax hike

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Another bigger question - if Republicans are so gung ho on tax cuts, why not propose making this one permanent? Makes the 2 months vs. 12 months thing seem kind of silly.
    Now you are talking my language. These postponements are wearing thin.

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    Re: Obama says Senate plan ‘only viable way’ to prevent tax hike

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Another bigger question - if Republicans are so gung ho on tax cuts, why not propose making this one permanent? Makes the 2 months vs. 12 months thing seem kind of silly.
    Great idea...... let's destroy social security while we are at it. Those old folks don't need any help.

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    Re: Obama says Senate plan ‘only viable way’ to prevent tax hike

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    [...] you are not accustomed to reading legalese are you. Shall does not mean one has to do a certain thing if there are exceptions included. Why is that so hard to grasp??? [...]
    What "shall" means is really not in dispute... except by you, it seems.

    shall

    3. (in laws, directives, etc.) must; is or are obliged to: 'The meetings of the council shall be public.'

    shall. Dictionary.com. Dictionary.com Unabridged. Random House, Inc. Shall | Define Shall at Dictionary.com (accessed: December 22, 2011).

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    Re: Obama says Senate plan ‘only viable way’ to prevent tax hike

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Another bigger question - if Republicans are so gung ho on tax cuts, why not propose making this one permanent? Makes the 2 months vs. 12 months thing seem kind of silly.
    Because the bigger answer is that this whole PR tax cut thing is a dinky gimmick BY BOTH PARTIES to try to spur demand. But the predicted demand growth will come at the expense of the stability of Social Security and Medicare. It would make more sense to reduce income tax rates, even temporarily, on whomever. Washington for the last 3 years has been pressing gimmicks to address much more serious structural and systemic issues. If this pandering to the various bases continues the economy will continue to flounder.

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    Re: Obama says Senate plan ‘only viable way’ to prevent tax hike

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    What "shall" means is really not in dispute... except by you, it seems.
    Again, if this Keystone thingy was so rancorous why did Senate Democrats pass their version with the SAME LANGUAGE?

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    Re: Obama says Senate plan ‘only viable way’ to prevent tax hike

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    What "shall" means is really not in dispute... except by you, it seems.
    Very good..... Obama SHALL approve the pipeline UNLESS he doesn't want to. Shall can always have exclusions, just as it does here.

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    Re: Obama says Senate plan ‘only viable way’ to prevent tax hike

    Want an example ??

    The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

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    Re: Obama says Senate plan ‘only viable way’ to prevent tax hike

    Quote Originally Posted by kamikaze483 View Post
    Everyone, I think, is attempting to make the system more fair.... I think the main difference is what your definition of fair is. [...]
    Before, you thought (argued) the GOP was not trying to raise taxes.

    Quote Originally Posted by kamikaze483, in post #88 View Post
    [...] what is presented to the people is that the GOP are trying to increase people's taxes. This is simply not true. [...]
    Now you're advocating raising taxes on the poor in order to be "more fair".

    I think you just lost your argument. Perhaps, like another poster, you'd like to dispute the definition of "shall" as well. . . . .

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    Re: Obama says Senate plan ‘only viable way’ to prevent tax hike

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post

    I think you just lost your argument. Perhaps, like another poster, you'd like to dispute the definition of "shall" as well. . . . .
    You should look in a legal dictionary for legal terms:

    shall v. 1) an imperative command as in "you shall not kill." 2) in some statutes, "shall" is a direction but does not mean mandatory, depending on the context.

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