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    Re: Obama says Senate plan ‘only viable way’ to prevent tax hike

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    In other words, it is -- ONCE AGAIN -- a juvenile political ploy. Republicans don't give a **** whether or not it's approved. They just want to throw it in Obama's face either way. Gee, I wonder why Democrats objected to it?
    Remind me again how the Senate Democrats objected to it, OH YEAH...they didn't, they passed the bill.

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    Re: Obama says Senate plan ‘only viable way’ to prevent tax hike

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    That you do not concur is irrelevant, since my participation in the debate is not to convince you, but to convince those on the sidelines.
    It's not working with me either.

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    Re: Obama says Senate plan ‘only viable way’ to prevent tax hike

    Quote Originally Posted by kamikaze483 View Post
    Everyone, I think, is attempting to make the system more fair.... I think the main difference is what your definition of fair is. I think fair is taking a flat percentage of what EVERYONE makes, while all the while working hard to contain spending so that the percentage stays as low as possible. If the tax code stands up to the Equal Protection clause- and is applied to EVERYONE the same way, then I think a good argument can be made that it is fair. If you take a higher percentage from the wealthy and use it to supplement tax cuts for the middle and lower class workers, how is that "fair?"
    Because the wealthy have more disposable income to spend unlike the poor. Your way would wind up with the poor and falling middle classes paying more than they do now. They can't afford what taxes are being taken from them (Not just talking about FIC) and you want to give (through the flat tax) more to the rich.

    Brilliant idea, if you want to make the poor more poor and the rich more rich. It's clear that is the Libertarian dream. Through "fairness" make people worse off than they already are, unless you are rich.

    And people wonder why the right are the for the rich.

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    Re: Obama says Senate plan ‘only viable way’ to prevent tax hike

    Please note how similar the verbage in the Senate bill is to the House bill:

    SEC. 501. PERMIT FOR KEYSTONE XL PIPELINE.
    4 (a) IN GENERAL.—Except as provided in subsection
    5 (b), not later than 60 days after the date of enactment of
    6 this Act, the President, acting through the Secretary of
    7 State, shall grant a permit under Executive Order 13337
    8 (3 U.S.C. 301 note; relating to issuance of permits with
    9 respect to certain energy-related facilities and land trans10
    portation crossings on the international boundaries of the
    11 United States) for the Keystone XL pipeline project appli12
    cation filed on September 19, 2008 (including amend13
    ments).

    Now remind me again who controls the Senate...and what was the vote count on passage of this bill?

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    Re: Obama says Senate plan ‘only viable way’ to prevent tax hike

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    Remind me again how the Senate Democrats objected to it, OH YEAH...they didn't, they passed the bill.
    It was a compromise, worked out with Senate Republicans, who seem to care for their country a hell of a lot more than the Neandearthal knuckle draggers over in the House. Mitch McConnell I can respect. He had differences with Reid, so the two got together and worked out something that neither side entirely liked, but felt was best for their country.
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    Re: Obama says Senate plan ‘only viable way’ to prevent tax hike

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    It was a compromise, worked out with Senate Republicans, who seem to care for their country a hell of a lot more than the Neandearthal knuckle draggers over in the House. Mitch McConnell I can respect. He had differences with Reid, so the two got together and worked out something that neither side entirely liked, but felt was best for their country.
    Let's see who the real knuckle draggers are....

    This two month bill is paid for by placing a permanent monthly fee on everyone's house payment that gets a new mortgage or a refinance of around $17.

    Yep, sounds brilliant. Add to the cost of an already depressed housing market by adding permanent monthly fees that only fund this bill for 2 stinking months.

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    Re: Obama says Senate plan ‘only viable way’ to prevent tax hike

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Let's see who the real knuckle draggers are....

    This two month bill is paid for by placing a permanent monthly fee on everyone's house payment that gets a new mortgage or a refinance of around $17.

    Yep, sounds brilliant. Add to the cost of an already depressed housing market by adding permanent monthly fees that only fund this bill for 2 stinking months.
    So you're saying McConnell and the majority of Senate Republicans who voted for the bill are the knuckle-draggers?

    Oh, no, you're saying that $17 is going to make a few people decide not to refinance. When rates are at record lows. Sure.
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    Re: Obama says Senate plan ‘only viable way’ to prevent tax hike

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Let's see who the real knuckle draggers are....

    This two month bill is paid for by placing a permanent monthly fee on everyone's house payment that gets a new mortgage or a refinance of around $17.

    Yep, sounds brilliant. Add to the cost of an already depressed housing market by adding permanent monthly fees that only fund this bill for 2 stinking months.
    People seeking to refinance their homes are looking for a smaller interest rate, and a smaller payment. 17 bucks is a drop in the bucket compared to what they will be saving by refinancing. You make it appear that those who refinance will be paying more, when such is not the case. OK, OK, tell 'ya what. Let's blame it on that evil Leebrul, Mitch McConnell.
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    Re: Obama says Senate plan ‘only viable way’ to prevent tax hike

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    People seeking to refinance their homes are looking for a smaller interest rate, and a smaller payment. 17 bucks is a drop in the bucket compared to what they will be saving by refinancing. You make it appear that those who refinance will be paying more, when such is not the case. OK, OK, tell 'ya what. Let's blame it on that evil Leebrul, Mitch McConnell.
    They will be paying more than they would have without this bill.

    And you are right. I do blame my Senator for this and you can be sure he will hear about it from me.

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    Re: Obama says Senate plan ‘only viable way’ to prevent tax hike

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Right, that's what the Democrats have proposed over and over. The Republicans won't agree to it.
    Question: If 12 months was the Democrats proposal, and they didn't need the Republican vote to pass the Senate, and they were fairly sure that the house would reject, then why didn't they pass the 12 month bill instead of the 2 month one?

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