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    Re: U.S. Bio-Security Officials Sound Warning After Scientists Create Deadly New Stra

    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post
    I don't see the point of engineering something like this. Can someone with a bio-science background weigh in on this?

    Science will continue to claim that it is not responsible for its discoveries since it is only pursuing knowledge, but some scientists will continue to push the envelope. There is something to be said for human advancement in that we must learn to live with our most dangerous knowledge, but I do think this research is irresponsible.
    The only validity behind publishing this would be discussing the techniques they used to mutate the viral DNA and create the virus. There would be scientific validity and value regarding the publishing of these techniques due to viral therapies (using viruses to treat diseases such as cancer) being something that several scientists are looking into. Although this is assuming that they engineered a new protocol for such procedures. I don't understand why they would have to preform their experiments in order to create a more dangerous version of the bird flu though or the exact mutations and details behind creating it.
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    Re: U.S. Bio-Security Officials Sound Warning After Scientists Create Deadly New Stra

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    The reason the reason the dutch scientists are doing this is because there is a risk the virus could mutate into the deadly airborne form naturally. Being able to identify the signs in advance would prove vital to limiting the damage in an outbreak. There is no guarantee of safety no matter what we do, its simply a matter of weighing the risk of either option.

    It will take in-depth research and number crunching to figure out what to do. A genetic analysis of H5N1 and the number of mutations needed will need to be done in order to obtain the odds of natural mutation. This needs to be counterbalanced against an analysis of groups capable of creating such a bioweapon and having the willingness to use it.

    Most important, we need a vaccine yesterday. This is not only an issue of national security but of global security. Vaccination research and production should receive priority defense funding immediately.
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    Re: U.S. Bio-Security Officials Sound Warning After Scientists Create Deadly New Stra

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    What is interesting is nothing in the article states "why" it was created. The paper should not be published.
    It was created to study how this virus can mutate to be more infectious. There are other lab that has done this too - it's just a matter of time, better to have the people who work in developing vaccines understand the mechanism and come up with a vaccine to make the virus less harmful.
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    Re: U.S. Bio-Security Officials Sound Warning After Scientists Create Deadly New Stra

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    The reason the reason the dutch scientists are doing this is because there is a risk the virus could mutate into the deadly airborne form naturally. Being able to identify the signs in advance would prove vital to limiting the damage in an outbreak. There is no guarantee of safety no matter what we do, its simply a matter of weighing the risk of either option.

    It will take in-depth research and number crunching to figure out what to do. A genetic analysis of H5N1 and the number of mutations needed will need to be done in order to obtain the odds of natural mutation. This needs to be counterbalanced against an analysis of groups capable of creating such a bioweapon and having the willingness to use it.
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    And it would mutate naturally into the strain that the mad scientists created? Its sounds like bull **** execuse.Its like saying lets makes a dangeorus new disease just in case we run across another dangerous disease.


    Most important, we need a vaccine yesterday. This is not only an issue of national security but of global security. Vaccination research and production should receive priority defense funding immediately
    This should not involve making deadlier strains of whats out there.
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    Re: U.S. Bio-Security Officials Sound Warning After Scientists Create Deadly New Stra

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    And it would mutate naturally into the strain that the mad scientists created? Its sounds like bull **** execuse.Its like saying lets makes a dangeorus new disease just in case we run across another dangerous disease.

    This should not involve making deadlier strains of whats out there.
    It's not an excuse, the aim of the paper was to study the mutation mechanism so as to develop a way to stop it. It's hard to develop flu vaccines because the virus mutate so quickly, staying one step ahead could be helpful. On the other hand, there is an arguement to be made that having created the virus, there could be a leak from the laboratory that stores it like the foot and mouth virus a while back - if this one escape, we are screwed.
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    And I wasn't making an appeal to authority, I was making an appeal to the philosophical body of work of the founders, the worth and content of which should be well-known to anyone with a cursory understanding of basic history and philosophy.

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    Re: U.S. Bio-Security Officials Sound Warning After Scientists Create Deadly New Stra

    And it would mutate naturally into the strain that the mad scientists created? Its sounds like bull **** execuse.Its like saying lets makes a dangeorus new disease just in case we run across another dangerous disease.
    You are using the appeal to ridicule fallacy. People made the same ignorant argument against the small pox vaccine. The concept is perfectly valid, the only question is if the actual probabilities are high enough to be worth the risk.

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    Re: U.S. Bio-Security Officials Sound Warning After Scientists Create Deadly New Stra

    If something wrong was done dont blame the scientests. Blame the bosses and $$$ behind them.
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    Re: U.S. Bio-Security Officials Sound Warning After Scientists Create Deadly New Stra

    More fear-mongering from FauxNews
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    Re: U.S. Bio-Security Officials Sound Warning After Scientists Create Deadly New Stra

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    More fear-mongering from FauxNews
    Fear mongering, How? Since when is reporting that scientists making deadlier strains of diseases a from of fear mongering? Is this some boo hoo lib-tard we hate fox news rant of yours?
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    Re: U.S. Bio-Security Officials Sound Warning After Scientists Create Deadly New Stra

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Fear mongering, How? Since when is reporting that scientists making deadlier strains of diseases a from of fear mongering? Is this some boo hoo lib-tard we hate fox news rant of yours?
    Leaving out the valid reasons for doing this serves their agenda of fear-mongering.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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