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Boehner demands Senate cancel its vacation

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No chamber ever votes on the other chamber's bills with "no changes" unless it is extremely non-controversial legislation. Why would they do that? The point of considering a bill is to consider changes to it. Are you suggesting the Senate should have held a vote on the bill without allowing any amendments to it?

Yes, actually it happens all the time.

Yes, they should have definitely voted on the original House bill with no amendments.


Stop pretending you know what you're talking about or that you have a point. You are hanging your hat on a piece of useless, irrelevant information as if it matters. Now that is childish.

First you claim that the Senate voted on the House bill unchanged, then you finally admit you were wrong. And I'm the one that doesn't know what I'm talking about ???

That's hilarious and childish.
 
Here is the bottom line: Boehner made a deal with the Senate to avoid a conference, and then he couldn't hold up his end of the bargain and now he's blaming everyone but himself.

You have no proof of that, but that's not surprising.
 
The purpose of the extension is to keep taxes from going up on middle class working people -- not to inspire confidence in the economy. If that was Boehner's real concern then playing these idiotic games would be the worst approach possible. But we will have that bust of Churchill in the Capitol. I'm sure that will be a huge relief to people who see their paychecks shrinking.
Can you do me a favor and change your lean to very liberal? I haven't seen one post of yours that says anything even "slightly liberal".
 
who will the voting public blame next november if the house and the senate are unable/refuse to pass a reconciliation measure?
Good question. Honestly, I think it will become a neutral point because both sides will point the finger at each other to the point where it just becomes a big he said/she said and we, the people get tired of hearing it. Personally, I blame the Senate GOP because they didn't have the gumption to take a stand against a stopgap bill. Once again, the my Tea Party is made to look the bad guy because they try to do something more responsible.
 
Yes, actually it happens all the time.

False.

Please post a bill in the last Congress - one that’s not a non-controversial one like renaming a Post Office or whatever, or an emergency bill - that passed both chambers without amendments, or passed the second chamber without amendments after being passed over from the first.

I’ll wait.

Yes, they should have definitely voted on the original House bill with no amendments.

Why would they do that? The Senate can’t have input on a bill? It should just vote up or down on every bill that comes from the House, and vice versa?

Moreover, now that the House has a Senate tax bill - why doesn’t it pass the Senate bill without amendments? Because the House went first?

First you claim that the Senate voted on the House bill unchanged

I never said that.

It voted on the House bill, after amending it. Which is how it works with every major bill.
 
Good question. Honestly, I think it will become a neutral point because both sides will point the finger at each other to the point where it just becomes a big he said/she said and we, the people get tired of hearing it. Personally, I blame the Senate GOP because they didn't have the gumption to take a stand against a stopgap bill. Once again, the my Tea Party is made to look the bad guy because they try to do something more responsible.

There's some good wishful thinking. Sadly for you, even Republicans and right-leaning news outlets are savaging House Republicans over this. Incredibly, they've managed to put themselves in a situation where the tax cut party is going to be responsible for raising the taxes of 150 million middle class Americans, and it's going to be reflected in their paychecks next month. And all the while they fight like rabid dogs to prevent taxes from going up for millionaires. I want to see the tax cut passed because it's good for the country, but if it doesn't happen at least there is the slight consolation of this galactic Republican strategic blunder.
 
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There's some good wishful thinking. Sadly for you, even Republicans and right-leaning news outlets are savaging House Republicans over this. Incredibly, they've managed to put themselves in a situation where the tax cut party is going to be responsible for raising the taxes of 150 million middle class Americans, and it's going to be reflected in their paychecks next month. And all the while they fight like rabid dogs to prevent taxes from going up for millionaires. I want to see the tax cut passed because it's good for the country, but if it doesn't happen at least there is the slight consolation of this galactic Republican strategic blunder.

It's not a tax cut, it's a temporary tax holiday.
 
It's not a tax cut, it's a temporary tax holiday.

Ok make up your minds.

So then the Bush tax cuts wouldn't be considered a tax cut, using your logic, they would be a TEMPORARY tax holiday as well. So the teaparty shouldn't have a problem with those expiring as well.
 
Don't insult me.

Sorry.

Didja find that example of a major, non-emergency bill that passed a house in Congress, after passing one house, without any amendments yet? I'd like to see it.
 
Ok make up your minds.

So then the Bush tax cuts wouldn't be considered a tax cut, using your logic, they would be a TEMPORARY tax holiday as well. So the teaparty shouldn't have a problem with those expiring as well.

What the hell are you talking about???? You are making no sense. Come back after you've wiped the froth off you chin.
 
What the hell are you talking about???? You are making no sense. Come back after you've wiped the froth off you chin.

Wow, you ran away from that one fast. I don't blame you. I suggest you run as far away as you can and never look back.
 
Wow, you ran away from that one fast. I don't blame you. I suggest you run as far away as you can and never look back.

When he retypes the post so that it makes a little sense, I'll be glad to respond. Hard to respond to jibberish.
 
I'll give a very original reply to this that I think no one has posted yet. I think everyone in Congress is wrong about this politically and fiscally, and I'll tell you why. The Dems are wrong because A) The cut they proposed (with GOP minority support) does not fund itself properly and has no long term plan B) They are cutting funding for the very program they always champion, Social Security C) They are punishing Freddie and Fannie, 2 companies they have a vested interest in seeing prosper. The GOP and Tea Party are wrong because A) They are cutting the one tax that can vilify them later. I don't put it past the Dems to use the fact that they want to cut this tax longer as a later argument that the conservatives are trying to bankrupt Social Security. Honestly, would that surprise anyone on this? B) The House should have made it known they would not vote this bill in a lot sooner than they did C) The GOP and Tea Party (notice I didn't mention them as one party) should have suggested another kind of tax cut besides the payroll tax. In addition, why would anyone want to cut this tax longer, which is something both parties want to do, just at different times. This is the last tax our gov't should be going after. As jacked up and underfunded as Social Security is, we should not be cutting the only source of funding for it. I don't agree with Social Security one iota. However, a promise was made to the American people, including myself, that we would get what we put in. I think Social Security should overhauled and made voluntary, but that's neither here nor there because its still active and we have to solve it. There you have it, a non-partisan look at how stupid our Congress is, no matter the party affiliation.
 
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What the hell are you talking about???? You are making no sense. Come back after you've wiped the froth off you chin.

I'm making perfect sense except to someone who's idiotically partisan. If you can't read I would suggest hooked on phonics for you.
 
When he retypes the post so that it makes a little sense, I'll be glad to respond. Hard to respond to jibberish.

You know exactly what he meant.
 
Sorry.

Didja find that example of a major, non-emergency bill that passed a house in Congress, after passing one house, without any amendments yet? I'd like to see it.

Still waiting, Gill.
 
I'm making perfect sense except to someone who's idiotically partisan. If you can't read I would suggest hooked on phonics for you.

And I would suggest a writing class for you.

I also suggest you look up a tax holiday and a tax cut on Wiki. I'm sure it explains it clearly and you can see how a properly composed sentence can be written so that it makes sense.
 
And I would suggest a writing class for you.

I also suggest you look up a tax holiday and a tax cut on Wiki. I'm sure it explains it clearly and you can see how a properly composed sentence can be written so that it makes sense.

Keep on running, it's what you are best at. I don't blame you. I accept your concession.
 
Keep on running, it's what you are best at. I don't blame you. I accept your concession.

Sorry, not going to do your homework for you. If you don't know the difference in the two, I suggest you follow my advice and look them up. You shouldn't be ashamed for your ignorance of the subject.
 
Sorry, not going to do your homework for you. If you don't know the difference in the two, I suggest you follow my advice and look them up. You shouldn't be ashamed for your ignorance of the subject.

Your concession is already noted, but thanks. Keep on running.
 
Sorry, but some of us have to work for a living. You'll have your answer when I have time and not before.

Wow, suddenly you're really busy. You had plenty of time to fume about how wrong I was. You'd think that if, as you said, it happens all the time that it would be easy for you to find me a bill.
 
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