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Boehner demands Senate cancel its vacation

The Senate hasnt passed a budget in how many years now?

1. You don't even know what a "budget" is in this context.

2. The House Republicans have passed PLENTY of short-term measures, son. It happens all the time. Don't even start with that crap. You don't know what you're talking about.
 
If its good for 2 months why isnt it good for a year? Just pass it.

By that logic we'd make it permanent. It was always meant to be temporary. Why didn't Congress make it 2 years instead of 1, or more than that?

The Senate did a 2 month extension because the House hadn't acted yet and they were about to recess. That gave more time to work out a better compromise next year. That's perfectly reasonable. The House shouldn't blame the Senate for not acting until after the Senate adjourned.
 
So why can't they modify the Senate bill so that it has a one year term instead of 2-month term, wouldn't everyone be happy then? Or would it still not pass the House and Senate?

The Senate has adjourned, that's why.
 
1. You don't even know what a "budget" is in this context.

2. The House Republicans have passed PLENTY of short-term measures, son. It happens all the time. Don't even start with that crap. You don't know what you're talking about.
Thats what makes you 'that guy'. You still want to play these idiotic 'us' and 'them' games. You think I support one over the other...but that's only because you mindlessly and doggedly defend democrats no matter what.

yeah boy...that senate...they have been rock stars havent they.

Both parties lock themselves into a room for a month and cant agree to basic cuts. They trumpet a measly few billion in DEFICIT cuts while they spend 1.4 TRILLION more than they have. They pass these idiotic measures that guarantee every two months they have to revisit the issue. Oh, it is just no freakin shock THAT you support them. Its also not a mystery WHY you support them. Its just pathetic, sad, and yet, comical that you DO support them.

Good lord...
 
Thats what makes you 'that guy'. You still want to play these idiotic 'us' and 'them' games. You think I support one over the other...but that's only because you mindlessly and doggedly defend democrats no matter what.

No, that's YOU. YOU are the one ignoring the fact that short-term extensions are normal in Congress. You haven't complained when Republicans did it. Now suddenly you care.

Oh, it is just no freakin shock THAT you support them. Its also not a mystery WHY you support them. Its just pathetic, sad, and yet, comical that you DO support them.

I never said I supported them, did I? I didn't say short-term extensions were good, did I? My only point is you're a partisan hypocrite for complaining about this particular one.

You're so wrapped up in your own partisanship that you see it in everyone and everything else. Take a deep breath and relax before you read, and again before you post.
 
Do any of you who are bashing the Senate remember that the House did the exact same thing earlier this year by passing an short-term extension of an FAA reauthorization bill containing items it knew the Senate opposed, and then adjourned for August recess - causing the ****ing FAA to partially shut down?


Guess not.
 
No, that's not always how it works. But thanks for the lesson.

You are right, but it's how it is supposed to work.

You are welcome. Don't forget this Civics lesson.
 
No, that's YOU. YOU are the one ignoring the fact that short-term extensions are normal in Congress. You haven't complained when Republicans did it. Now suddenly you care.
I never said I supported them, did I? I didn't say short-term extensions were good, did I? My only point is you're a partisan hypocrite for complaining about this particular one.
You're so wrapped up in your own partisanship that you see it in everyone and everything else. Take a deep breath and relax before you read, and again before you post.
yeah...THATS what is happenning...:lamo
I'm sorry...when have I NOT cared? When have I NOT expressed open disdain for republicans as well as democrats for their idiotic partisan games that have driven this country into a 15.5 trillion dollar hole and climbing?

And now you are saying the short term solution is BAD...but hey...didnt the senate do its JOB? FM...Mindless partisan FM.
 
You are right, but it's how it is supposed to work.

No it's not. There is no single way it's supposed to work. As long as both houses pass identical legislation, it doesn't matter how. There is nothing about conference committees in the Constitution. Not all bills are conferenced.
 
And now you are saying the short term solution is BAD...but hey...didnt the senate do its JOB? FM...Mindless partisan FM.

I didn't say the short-term solution was bad either.

I said it is normal to do short-term extensions, and it is often a good thing. And to blame the Senate for doing it just because the House has now decided it doesn't want to is unfair.

The House could easily just pass the Senate's extension and then come back next year and pass a longer one.
 
No it's not. There is no single way it's supposed to work. As long as both houses pass identical legislation, it doesn't matter how. There is nothing about conference committees in the Constitution. Not all bills are conferenced.

Ahhh, guess it's time of another Civics lesson.

Of course it's not necessary if both houses pass identical legislation, except that almost never happens. Remember the healthcare reform bill and the twists the Dems had to do to reconcile the two bills.

If the bills are not identical word for word, then a conference must be held. And of course the Constitution does not specifically mention conference committees. It DOES say that each house must pass and sign the exact same bill before it can be sent to the president.

The conference committee is the method devised to do just that.
 
Of course it's not necessary if both houses pass identical legislation, except that almost never happens. Remember the healthcare reform bill and the twists the Dems had to do to reconcile the two bills.

But this isn’t that. This is a short-term extension, allowing the two chambers to come back in January and do a long-term bill, with a conference committee if they need to. It is merely an extension of the deadline. The House could just pass it.

If the bills are not identical word for word, the a conference must be held.

You’re missing the point. The House could pass the Senate version, word for word. It has no good reason not to.
 
But this isn’t that. This is a short-term extension, allowing the two chambers to come back in January and do a long-term bill, with a conference committee if they need to. It is merely an extension of the deadline. The House could just pass it.



You’re missing the point. The House could pass the Senate version, word for word. It has no good reason not to.

You're right.........and the Senate could pass the House version, word for word, and we would have no issues.
 
You’re missing the point. The House could pass the Senate version, word for word. It has no good reason not to.

I think a good reason of not passing it is that they are going to have to waste more time on this issue next year if they pass a 2 month stop gap.
 
Oh, I almost forgot. In addition to the lame, pathetic hypocrisy of the House whining about the Senate passing a short-term bill and then adjourning - after the House did exactly the same thing this past summer and triggered a partial shutdown of the FAA - the House voted down the Senate's short-term tax extension this week using a version of the "deem and pass" procedure that they freaked out about when the Democrats used it to pass the health care bill last year, so they could avoid having a roll call vote showing a bunch of Republicans voting down a tax cut.
 
You're right.........and the Senate could pass the House version, word for word, and we would have no issues.

Um, except the Senate is adjourned.
 
I didn't say the short-term solution was bad either.

I said it is normal to do short-term extensions, and it is often a good thing. And to blame the Senate for doing it just because the House has now decided it doesn't want to is unfair.

The House could easily just pass the Senate's extension and then come back next year and pass a longer one.
Feel free to have the final word...You have earned "The Pete" status in my book. Well played!
 
Oh, I almost forgot. In addition to the lame, pathetic hypocrisy of the House whining about the Senate passing a short-term bill and then adjourning - after the House did exactly the same thing this past summer and triggered a partial shutdown of the FAA - the House voted down the Senate's short-term tax extension this week using a version of the "deem and pass" procedure that they freaked out about when the Democrats used it to pass the health care bill last year, so they could avoid having a roll call vote showing a bunch of Republicans voting down a tax cut.

Boehner refused to allow a vote on the Senate bill because there was a good chance that it would pass.
 
Um, except the Senate is adjourned.

Wow, you're observant. Can't slip anything past you.........

Now you can try again. Why didn't the Senate vote on the House bill BEFORE they adjourned.
 
Wow, you're observant. Can't slip anything past you.........

Now you can try again. Why didn't the Senate vote on the House bill BEFORE they adjourned.

They didn't vote on it because it was a nonstarter and everyone, including House Republicans, knew it.
 
Boehner refused to allow a vote on the Senate bill because there was a good chance that it would pass.

Or maybe it's because a 2-month extension is friggin' dumb. Just like it was dumb every other time it's been done. It will just take more time away from other important issues when they have to come back and work down to the damned wire again for another stupid short-term solution. Long-term solutions have been asked for over and over again and the government has failed over and over again to provide them. Somebody does, and you want to turn it into a hack issue of the super-hero Harry Reid over the super-villian Boehner.
 
Ahhh, guess it's time of another Civics lesson.

Of course it's not necessary if both houses pass identical legislation, except that almost never happens. Remember the healthcare reform bill and the twists the Dems had to do to reconcile the two bills.

If the bills are not identical word for word, then a conference must be held. And of course the Constitution does not specifically mention conference committees. It DOES say that each house must pass and sign the exact same bill before it can be sent to the president.

The conference committee is the method devised to do just that.

no, a conference does NOT have to held. the bill could simply be presented for a vote, period.
 
They didn't vote on it because it was a nonstarter and everyone, including House Republicans, knew it.

Why should bills simply die when they reach the senate because it is decided a nonstarter?
 
Why should bills simply die when it reaches the senate because it is decided a nonstarter?

In the field of Political Science we have a very technical name for this concept

REALITY.
 
In the field of Political Science we have a very technical name for this concept

REALITY.

Except that it almost always just an excuse for the desire to not have a vote.
 
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