• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Boehner demands Senate cancel its vacation

American

Trump Grump Whisperer
DP Veteran
Monthly Donator
Joined
Mar 11, 2006
Messages
96,050
Reaction score
33,368
Location
SE Virginia
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Conservative
Link

Racing to meet an end-of-year deadline, House Speaker John A. Boehner said Monday the House will insist on a full-year extension of the payroll tax cut and demanded senators cut short their Christmas vacation, return to Washington and hash out an agreement the old-fashioned way.

“The president has said repeatedly no one should be going on vacation until the work is done. Democratic leaders in the House and Senate have said exactly the same thing,” Mr. Boehner, Ohio Republican, said at a morning press conference.

Mr. Boehner stunned senators and the White House on Sunday when he rejected the bipartisan two-month deal the Senate passed a day earlier, 89-10. He said that doing tax cuts in two-month increments doesn’t give the economy certainty.
Time for the Senate to get their lardasses back to work. :lol:
 
I agree...... Get your ass in there... You get paid damn good and your supposed to represent us. Get in there and work you civil servants.
 
I agree with Boehner on this.
 
Sadly, the thing they're skipping their vacation to do is smash a hole in the First Amendment with SOPA.
 
I am sure they feel that they did their job and they are now getting screwed over by a project partner. I don't feel bad. A 2 month plan is garbage.
 
Extending the FICA cut any longer than dec 31, 2011 is a bad plan.
 
Link


Time for the Senate to get their lardasses back to work. :lol:

The Senate finished its work already. Boehner just doesn't like it. Doesn't mean they didn't.
 
Sadly, the thing they're skipping their vacation to do is smash a hole in the First Amendment with SOPA.

How does SOPA infringe on free speech?
 
How does SOPA infringe on free speech?

Because they don't have to show cause for shutting down any website. All they have to say is you might have violated a copyright.

Now you can be shut down until they get around to making sure you didn't.
 
Because they don't have to show cause for shutting down any website. All they have to say is you might have violated a copyright.

Now you can be shut down until they get around to making sure you didn't.

And it prevents you from asserting any kind of Fair Use defense. Mind you, use of a copyrighted work under a Fair Use provision is not against the law. So people are going to be punished for things that resemble violations of the law, but aren't actually illegal.
 
The Senate finished its work already. Boehner just doesn't like it. Doesn't mean they didn't.

The senate voted on another short-term stop-gap bill. Boehner has a valid point when he says that a 2-month extension or a short term plan does nothing to instill confidence in the economy. That, in fact, was the exact reason S&P dropped our rating...no confidence due to no longer term plan.
 
The senate voted on another short-term stop-gap bill. Boehner has a valid point when he says that a 2-month extension or a short term plan does nothing to instill confidence in the economy. That, in fact, was the exact reason S&P dropped our rating...no confidence due to no longer term plan.

The purpose of the extension is to keep taxes from going up on middle class working people -- not to inspire confidence in the economy. If that was Boehner's real concern then playing these idiotic games would be the worst approach possible. But we will have that bust of Churchill in the Capitol. I'm sure that will be a huge relief to people who see their paychecks shrinking.
 
IMO, Boehner is making a huge miscalculation on this. What if they don't come back and pass HIS year long version of this?? He is putting himself and the GOP out on the ledge on this one. Hell, The GOP even got Obama to throw in his Veto chip on the pipeline. Still its not enough for Boehner and the house GOP. The dems can fall back and say they got a deal done for the payroll tax cut and now look who is allowing a tax hike. I don't like the political BS that goes on anymore than the next guy, but sheesh, Boehner is putting the noose around his neck and the GOP with this one. Stupid move, real stupid. It bought two months and then they can go hammer out a longer bill. Nothing is really going to change big time for 2 months, but holy hell when people see their taxes go up and Obama and the dems had worked out a short term deal for it not to but it was the GOP in the house that is responsible for higher taxes. This game of political chicken is getting way out of hand.
 
The purpose of the extension is to keep taxes from going up on middle class working people -- not to inspire confidence in the economy. If that was Boehner's real concern then playing these idiotic games would be the worst approach possible. But we will have that bust of Churchill in the Capitol. I'm sure that will be a huge relief to people who see their paychecks shrinking.

Two months is super helpful, huh?

Compared to the year of extensions the house passed.

You're totally missing the point. The senate's bill was a stop-gap, temporary measure. It would have required that they immediately readdress the issue again following their "vacation", meaning that other important legislation would be made to wait while they, again, bicker until the last minute only to pass another temporary, short term solution.

The SENATE is wasting time here.
 
Two months is super helpful, huh?

Compared to the year of extensions the house passed.

You're totally missing the point. The senate's bill was a stop-gap, temporary measure. It would have required that they immediately readdress the issue again following their "vacation", meaning that other important legislation would be made to wait while they, again, bicker until the last minute only to pass another temporary, short term solution.

The SENATE is wasting time here.

The Senate passed a two month extension for a reason. It's obvious that they need more time to work out longer term deal. What is the reason for not giving themselves more time? The extenion was bipartisan and was approved by a majority of Democrats AND Republicans in the Senate. If Boehner was sincere about wanting to get a one-year deal done, he would not have filled the House bill with so much extraneous crap that was clearly intended to keep the bill from passing.
 
The Senate passed a two month extension for a reason. It's obvious that they need more time to work out longer term deal. What is the reason for not giving themselves more time? The extenion was bipartisan and was approved by a majority of Democrats AND Republicans in the Senate. If Boehner was sincere about wanting to get a one-year deal done, he would not have filled the House bill with so much extraneous crap that was clearly intended to keep the bill from passing.

The house plan does the exact same thing the senate plan does...only it does it for 10 months longer. It is still 100% paid for, it still has the pipeline requirement, it still provides the extension on the tax cut and unemployment benefits...but it does it for 10 months longer.

The senate passed a 2-month bill because they can't get a damned thing done efficiently. There is no good reason to create on-going two-month extensions over and over and over again. It stresses out the people depending on those "cuts" or unemployment extensions, it instills no confidence in the voter, and it proves that they can't work together for a long-term deal.

Meanwhile, the house did all of that. They created a long-term, "budget neutral" program that would have quelled concerns for 12 more months.

Also, link me to some of this "extraneous crap" you're refering to. The information I read didn't include any such "crap".
 
The house plan does the exact same thing the senate plan does...only it does it for 10 months longer. It is still 100% paid for, it still has the pipeline requirement, it still provides the extension on the tax cut and unemployment benefits...but it does it for 10 months longer.

The senate passed a 2-month bill because they can't get a damned thing done efficiently. There is no good reason to create on-going two-month extensions over and over and over again. It stresses out the people depending on those "cuts" or unemployment extensions, it instills no confidence in the voter, and it proves that they can't work together for a long-term deal.

Meanwhile, the house did all of that. They created a long-term, "budget neutral" program that would have quelled concerns for 12 more months.

Also, link me to some of this "extraneous crap" you're refering to. The information I read didn't include any such "crap".

No, the bills are not identical. Democrats did compromise on the Pipeline mandate, but it does not include other crap like cutting unemployment benefits and piss testing the unemployed.

At the end, Boehner did exactly what Republicans have accused Democrats of doing -- he prevented the bill from coming to a vote, because he knew there was a good chance that it would pass.
 
No, the bills are not identical. Democrats did compromise on the Pipeline mandate, but it does not include other crap like cutting unemployment benefits and piss testing the unemployed.

At the end, Boehner did exactly what Republicans have accused Democrats of doing -- he prevented the bill from coming to a vote, because he knew there was a good chance that it would pass.

I didn't say identical....I didn't even say the bills were the exact same. I said they do the exact same thing regarding extension of tax cuts and unemployment. Reading comprehension is your friend, kiddo.

And you're right: the house bill cuts the length of continuous unemployment from 99 weeks to 79 weeks. That kind of makes sense if we're to believe we're coming out of the recession and jobs are coming back. And the drug testing thing? It authorizes states to do it if they so choose; it isn't a mandate.

So again, where's that "extraneous crap" you're referring to, Adam?
 
The senate voted on another short-term stop-gap bill. Boehner has a valid point when he says that a 2-month extension or a short term plan does nothing to instill confidence in the economy. That, in fact, was the exact reason S&P dropped our rating...no confidence due to no longer term plan.

Then he could have said so before the Senate passed its version and left town. Or the Republicans in the Senate who also supported the extension could have said so, and voted against it.

And how much confidence does it add for the House to now threaten to derail even a 2-month extension?
 
I didn't say identical....I didn't even say the bills were the exact same. I said they do the exact same thing regarding extension of tax cuts and unemployment. Reading comprehension is your friend, kiddo.

Nothing wrong with my reading skills, junior. I think you need to brush up on your thinking skills if you don't understand that identical = "do the exact same thing."

And you're right: the house bill cuts the length of continuous unemployment from 99 weeks to 79 weeks. That kind of makes sense if we're to believe we're coming out of the recession and jobs are coming back. And the drug testing thing? It authorizes states to do it if they so choose; it isn't a mandate.

You got that wrong, too. The House bill actually reduces unemployment from 99 weeks to 59 weeks -- not 79 weeks.

So again, where's that "extraneous crap" you're referring to, Adam?

You mean other than the ones we've already mentioned? Cutting unemployment insurance almost in half? Allowing states to drug test unemployment applicants? Well, another is a measure delaying for five years the closure of an EPA loophole that allows utility boilers to escape clean air standards. Another is an extension of the payroll freeze for federal workers who have already had their pay frozen for several years. But the biggest is obviously the unemployment cutback.
 
Instead of worrying about whether or not people have confidence in the economy not sucking, how about Congress actually try and make it not suck in reality?
 
John Boehner (I prefer to pronounce it "Boner") has sickened me. He is asking the president to show leadership when he has yet to show one glimpse of leadership. I will tell you that Obama is far from the strongest leader our nation has seen, but to point fingers and still do nothing is absurd. I am sixteen years old and I am smarter than Boehner in that I can at least see that one person cannot control what over six hundred people do. As the body guard to the TEA Party, I'm pretty sure Boehner does not want the political consequence of allowing payroll taxes to hike. Even worse is the pipeline issues. You cannot tell me that the pipeline is neccesary. All that is needed is to branch it off at the end, there is no reasonable need for that middle portion. It's like asking for a Bugatti for Christmas if you already have a Ferrari; it is the epitome of wasteful, something the GOP has been harping Obama on since day one.
 
The purpose of the extension is to keep taxes from going up on middle class working people -- not to inspire confidence in the economy. If that was Boehner's real concern then playing these idiotic games would be the worst approach possible. But we will have that bust of Churchill in the Capitol. I'm sure that will be a huge relief to people who see their paychecks shrinking.

and what do the middle class do with the money? Mostly spend it. by spending they help the economy. So with no guarentees after two month, you think that people who drive the economy have confidence? The Senate Dems who are so concerned about the middle class should have worked and passed a long term fix. This patchwork type approuch shows their inability to lead or function (and that is on both sides).
 
who will the voting public blame next november if the house and the senate are unable/refuse to pass a reconciliation measure?
 
Can't say I'm surprised. Pass it for another year, 2 months is B.S. political fodder for the Obama campaign.... make it for another year, put the pipeline in it, put it on Obama's desk and watch his veto go poof like a fart in the wind.
 
Back
Top Bottom