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    Re: Boehner demands Senate cancel its vacation

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    No it's not. There is no single way it's supposed to work. As long as both houses pass identical legislation, it doesn't matter how. There is nothing about conference committees in the Constitution. Not all bills are conferenced.
    Ahhh, guess it's time of another Civics lesson.

    Of course it's not necessary if both houses pass identical legislation, except that almost never happens. Remember the healthcare reform bill and the twists the Dems had to do to reconcile the two bills.

    If the bills are not identical word for word, then a conference must be held. And of course the Constitution does not specifically mention conference committees. It DOES say that each house must pass and sign the exact same bill before it can be sent to the president.

    The conference committee is the method devised to do just that.

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    Re: Boehner demands Senate cancel its vacation

    Of course it's not necessary if both houses pass identical legislation, except that almost never happens. Remember the healthcare reform bill and the twists the Dems had to do to reconcile the two bills.
    But this isnít that. This is a short-term extension, allowing the two chambers to come back in January and do a long-term bill, with a conference committee if they need to. It is merely an extension of the deadline. The House could just pass it.

    If the bills are not identical word for word, the a conference must be held.
    Youíre missing the point. The House could pass the Senate version, word for word. It has no good reason not to.
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    Re: Boehner demands Senate cancel its vacation

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    But this isn’t that. This is a short-term extension, allowing the two chambers to come back in January and do a long-term bill, with a conference committee if they need to. It is merely an extension of the deadline. The House could just pass it.



    You’re missing the point. The House could pass the Senate version, word for word. It has no good reason not to.
    You're right.........and the Senate could pass the House version, word for word, and we would have no issues.

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    Re: Boehner demands Senate cancel its vacation

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    You’re missing the point. The House could pass the Senate version, word for word. It has no good reason not to.
    I think a good reason of not passing it is that they are going to have to waste more time on this issue next year if they pass a 2 month stop gap.
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    Oh, I almost forgot. In addition to the lame, pathetic hypocrisy of the House whining about the Senate passing a short-term bill and then adjourning - after the House did exactly the same thing this past summer and triggered a partial shutdown of the FAA - the House voted down the Senate's short-term tax extension this week using a version of the "deem and pass" procedure that they freaked out about when the Democrats used it to pass the health care bill last year, so they could avoid having a roll call vote showing a bunch of Republicans voting down a tax cut.
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    Re: Boehner demands Senate cancel its vacation

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    You're right.........and the Senate could pass the House version, word for word, and we would have no issues.
    Um, except the Senate is adjourned.
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    Re: Boehner demands Senate cancel its vacation

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    I didn't say the short-term solution was bad either.

    I said it is normal to do short-term extensions, and it is often a good thing. And to blame the Senate for doing it just because the House has now decided it doesn't want to is unfair.

    The House could easily just pass the Senate's extension and then come back next year and pass a longer one.
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    Re: Boehner demands Senate cancel its vacation

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Oh, I almost forgot. In addition to the lame, pathetic hypocrisy of the House whining about the Senate passing a short-term bill and then adjourning - after the House did exactly the same thing this past summer and triggered a partial shutdown of the FAA - the House voted down the Senate's short-term tax extension this week using a version of the "deem and pass" procedure that they freaked out about when the Democrats used it to pass the health care bill last year, so they could avoid having a roll call vote showing a bunch of Republicans voting down a tax cut.
    Boehner refused to allow a vote on the Senate bill because there was a good chance that it would pass.

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    Re: Boehner demands Senate cancel its vacation

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Um, except the Senate is adjourned.
    Wow, you're observant. Can't slip anything past you.........

    Now you can try again. Why didn't the Senate vote on the House bill BEFORE they adjourned.

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    Re: Boehner demands Senate cancel its vacation

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Wow, you're observant. Can't slip anything past you.........

    Now you can try again. Why didn't the Senate vote on the House bill BEFORE they adjourned.
    They didn't vote on it because it was a nonstarter and everyone, including House Republicans, knew it.

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