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Thread: Boehner demands Senate cancel its vacation

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    Re: Boehner demands Senate cancel its vacation

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    HR 3080 is not an "original House bill" as was dishonestly claimed by Gill. It was negotiated and submitted by the Executive branch.
    Yes, trade agreements are like treaties, and are often either voted up or down without amendments because they are already negotiated with a foreign power. Some are even "fast-tracked" (like NAFTA was) so that no amendments are allowed. That makes sense.

    That is one exception. The idea that chambers of Congress routinely pass bills from the other chamber without making any changes - in any process, whether through amendments at the committee level or informal negotiations with the other chamber - is obviously false.
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    Re: Boehner demands Senate cancel its vacation

    Let's keep looking:

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    S 627 was passed with no amendments
    False again.

    5/26/2011:Passed Senate with amendments by Unanimous Consent.

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    7/27/2011 9:21pm:Rules Committee Resolution H. Res. 375 Reported to House. Rule provides for consideration of S. 627 with 2 hours of general debate. Previous question shall be considered as ordered without intervening motions except motion to recommit with or without instructions. Measure will be considered read. Bill is closed to amendments. The amendment in the nature of a substitute printed in part A of the report of the of the Committee on Rules accompanying this resolution, modified by the amendments printed in part B of that report shall be considered as adopted.
    This brings up another procedural mistake you're making - the House often adopts rules that forbid or limits amendments from the floor. However, the rule often allows a single amendment in the nature of a substitute (replacing the entire text of the bill) or the bill has been amended in committee. In the case of the above bill, the rule forbid floor amendments but adopted (the old "deem and pass" thing that was suddenly controversial when amateurs discovered it for the first time in the health care debate) an amendment in the nature of a substitute.
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