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    Re: Boehner demands Senate cancel its vacation

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    The Senate finished its work already. Boehner just doesn't like it. Doesn't mean they didn't.
    The senate voted on another short-term stop-gap bill. Boehner has a valid point when he says that a 2-month extension or a short term plan does nothing to instill confidence in the economy. That, in fact, was the exact reason S&P dropped our rating...no confidence due to no longer term plan.
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    Re: Boehner demands Senate cancel its vacation

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    The senate voted on another short-term stop-gap bill. Boehner has a valid point when he says that a 2-month extension or a short term plan does nothing to instill confidence in the economy. That, in fact, was the exact reason S&P dropped our rating...no confidence due to no longer term plan.
    The purpose of the extension is to keep taxes from going up on middle class working people -- not to inspire confidence in the economy. If that was Boehner's real concern then playing these idiotic games would be the worst approach possible. But we will have that bust of Churchill in the Capitol. I'm sure that will be a huge relief to people who see their paychecks shrinking.

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    Re: Boehner demands Senate cancel its vacation

    IMO, Boehner is making a huge miscalculation on this. What if they don't come back and pass HIS year long version of this?? He is putting himself and the GOP out on the ledge on this one. Hell, The GOP even got Obama to throw in his Veto chip on the pipeline. Still its not enough for Boehner and the house GOP. The dems can fall back and say they got a deal done for the payroll tax cut and now look who is allowing a tax hike. I don't like the political BS that goes on anymore than the next guy, but sheesh, Boehner is putting the noose around his neck and the GOP with this one. Stupid move, real stupid. It bought two months and then they can go hammer out a longer bill. Nothing is really going to change big time for 2 months, but holy hell when people see their taxes go up and Obama and the dems had worked out a short term deal for it not to but it was the GOP in the house that is responsible for higher taxes. This game of political chicken is getting way out of hand.

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    Re: Boehner demands Senate cancel its vacation

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    The purpose of the extension is to keep taxes from going up on middle class working people -- not to inspire confidence in the economy. If that was Boehner's real concern then playing these idiotic games would be the worst approach possible. But we will have that bust of Churchill in the Capitol. I'm sure that will be a huge relief to people who see their paychecks shrinking.
    Two months is super helpful, huh?

    Compared to the year of extensions the house passed.

    You're totally missing the point. The senate's bill was a stop-gap, temporary measure. It would have required that they immediately readdress the issue again following their "vacation", meaning that other important legislation would be made to wait while they, again, bicker until the last minute only to pass another temporary, short term solution.

    The SENATE is wasting time here.
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    Re: Boehner demands Senate cancel its vacation

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    Two months is super helpful, huh?

    Compared to the year of extensions the house passed.

    You're totally missing the point. The senate's bill was a stop-gap, temporary measure. It would have required that they immediately readdress the issue again following their "vacation", meaning that other important legislation would be made to wait while they, again, bicker until the last minute only to pass another temporary, short term solution.

    The SENATE is wasting time here.
    The Senate passed a two month extension for a reason. It's obvious that they need more time to work out longer term deal. What is the reason for not giving themselves more time? The extenion was bipartisan and was approved by a majority of Democrats AND Republicans in the Senate. If Boehner was sincere about wanting to get a one-year deal done, he would not have filled the House bill with so much extraneous crap that was clearly intended to keep the bill from passing.

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    Re: Boehner demands Senate cancel its vacation

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    The Senate passed a two month extension for a reason. It's obvious that they need more time to work out longer term deal. What is the reason for not giving themselves more time? The extenion was bipartisan and was approved by a majority of Democrats AND Republicans in the Senate. If Boehner was sincere about wanting to get a one-year deal done, he would not have filled the House bill with so much extraneous crap that was clearly intended to keep the bill from passing.
    The house plan does the exact same thing the senate plan does...only it does it for 10 months longer. It is still 100% paid for, it still has the pipeline requirement, it still provides the extension on the tax cut and unemployment benefits...but it does it for 10 months longer.

    The senate passed a 2-month bill because they can't get a damned thing done efficiently. There is no good reason to create on-going two-month extensions over and over and over again. It stresses out the people depending on those "cuts" or unemployment extensions, it instills no confidence in the voter, and it proves that they can't work together for a long-term deal.

    Meanwhile, the house did all of that. They created a long-term, "budget neutral" program that would have quelled concerns for 12 more months.

    Also, link me to some of this "extraneous crap" you're refering to. The information I read didn't include any such "crap".
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    Re: Boehner demands Senate cancel its vacation

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    The house plan does the exact same thing the senate plan does...only it does it for 10 months longer. It is still 100% paid for, it still has the pipeline requirement, it still provides the extension on the tax cut and unemployment benefits...but it does it for 10 months longer.

    The senate passed a 2-month bill because they can't get a damned thing done efficiently. There is no good reason to create on-going two-month extensions over and over and over again. It stresses out the people depending on those "cuts" or unemployment extensions, it instills no confidence in the voter, and it proves that they can't work together for a long-term deal.

    Meanwhile, the house did all of that. They created a long-term, "budget neutral" program that would have quelled concerns for 12 more months.

    Also, link me to some of this "extraneous crap" you're refering to. The information I read didn't include any such "crap".
    No, the bills are not identical. Democrats did compromise on the Pipeline mandate, but it does not include other crap like cutting unemployment benefits and piss testing the unemployed.

    At the end, Boehner did exactly what Republicans have accused Democrats of doing -- he prevented the bill from coming to a vote, because he knew there was a good chance that it would pass.

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    Re: Boehner demands Senate cancel its vacation

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    No, the bills are not identical. Democrats did compromise on the Pipeline mandate, but it does not include other crap like cutting unemployment benefits and piss testing the unemployed.

    At the end, Boehner did exactly what Republicans have accused Democrats of doing -- he prevented the bill from coming to a vote, because he knew there was a good chance that it would pass.
    I didn't say identical....I didn't even say the bills were the exact same. I said they do the exact same thing regarding extension of tax cuts and unemployment. Reading comprehension is your friend, kiddo.

    And you're right: the house bill cuts the length of continuous unemployment from 99 weeks to 79 weeks. That kind of makes sense if we're to believe we're coming out of the recession and jobs are coming back. And the drug testing thing? It authorizes states to do it if they so choose; it isn't a mandate.

    So again, where's that "extraneous crap" you're referring to, Adam?
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    Re: Boehner demands Senate cancel its vacation

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    The senate voted on another short-term stop-gap bill. Boehner has a valid point when he says that a 2-month extension or a short term plan does nothing to instill confidence in the economy. That, in fact, was the exact reason S&P dropped our rating...no confidence due to no longer term plan.
    Then he could have said so before the Senate passed its version and left town. Or the Republicans in the Senate who also supported the extension could have said so, and voted against it.

    And how much confidence does it add for the House to now threaten to derail even a 2-month extension?
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    Re: Boehner demands Senate cancel its vacation

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    I didn't say identical....I didn't even say the bills were the exact same. I said they do the exact same thing regarding extension of tax cuts and unemployment. Reading comprehension is your friend, kiddo.
    Nothing wrong with my reading skills, junior. I think you need to brush up on your thinking skills if you don't understand that identical = "do the exact same thing."

    And you're right: the house bill cuts the length of continuous unemployment from 99 weeks to 79 weeks. That kind of makes sense if we're to believe we're coming out of the recession and jobs are coming back. And the drug testing thing? It authorizes states to do it if they so choose; it isn't a mandate.
    You got that wrong, too. The House bill actually reduces unemployment from 99 weeks to 59 weeks -- not 79 weeks.

    So again, where's that "extraneous crap" you're referring to, Adam?
    You mean other than the ones we've already mentioned? Cutting unemployment insurance almost in half? Allowing states to drug test unemployment applicants? Well, another is a measure delaying for five years the closure of an EPA loophole that allows utility boilers to escape clean air standards. Another is an extension of the payroll freeze for federal workers who have already had their pay frozen for several years. But the biggest is obviously the unemployment cutback.

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