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    Re: Boehner demands Senate cancel its vacation

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    Instead of posting this diatribe, you could have simply said you were wrong.
    I wasn't wrong about the procedure at all. Your statement that "the Senate didn't allow a vote on the House bill" is false and non-sensical. I screwed up some of the facts, which I'm happy to admit. I also screwed up another fact, btw - the Senate didn't adjourn, it's in pro forma session.
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    Re: Boehner demands Senate cancel its vacation

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    I wasn't wrong about the procedure at all. Your statement that "the Senate didn't allow a vote on the House bill" is false and non-sensical. I screwed up some of the facts, which I'm happy to admit. I also screwed up another fact, btw - the Senate didn't adjourn, it's in pro forma session.
    If you still insist that the Senate voted on the House Bill, let's see some proof. They voted in their own bill which amended the house bill.

    I won't be holding my breath.

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    Re: Boehner demands Senate cancel its vacation

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    If you still insist that the Senate voted on the House Bill, let's see some proof. They voted in their own bill which amended the house bill.

    I won't be holding my breath.
    hey gill......yesterday, talking about conferencing, my point was that boehner could have just let the senate bill come to a vote without changes. it probably would have passed, but he would not let the house vote on it. is that accurate?

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    Re: Boehner demands Senate cancel its vacation

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    hey gill......yesterday, talking about conferencing, my point was that boehner could have just let the senate bill come to a vote without changes. it probably would have passed, but he would not let the house vote on it. is that accurate?
    100% correct, except we don't know if it would have passed. Reid could have done the same with the House bill.

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    Re: Boehner demands Senate cancel its vacation

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    If you still insist that the Senate voted on the House Bill, let's see some proof. They voted in their own bill which amended the house bill.
    I never said the Senate voted on the House bill (although it did - after amending it, which is exactly what it's supposed to do).

    I said they voted on their own bill, and then used that bill to amend the House bill. That is correct. I also explained that this is completely routine, and an absolutely meaningless comment on your part. Of course the Senate amended the House bill to insert what it wanted into it. That's what it's supposed to do. It doesn't matter whether it takes up the House bill first or simply substitutes its own bill into the House bill - the result is the same. Both chambers frequently do that in order to get to work on an issue instead of sitting and waiting for the other House to finish. The end result is the same.
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    Re: Boehner demands Senate cancel its vacation

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    100% correct, except we don't know if it would have passed. Reid could have done the same with the House bill.
    And someone would have offered the same amendments first. So the end result would have been the same. What we do know is that the Senate bill passed with 89 yes votes. And any Senator could have offered amendments to the Senate bill to make it more like, or identical to, the House bill. So the idea that Reid somehow prevented a vote is absurd. That's not now the Senate works, only the House.
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    Re: Boehner demands Senate cancel its vacation

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    And someone would have offered the same amendments first. So the end result would have been the same. What we do know is that the Senate bill passed with 89 yes votes. And any Senator could have offered amendments to the Senate bill to make it more like, or identical to, the House bill. So the idea that Reid somehow prevented a vote is absurd. That's not now the Senate works, only the House.
    I'm tired of playing your games.

    Did Reid allow a vote on the House bill with no changes or not???

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    Re: Boehner demands Senate cancel its vacation

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    I'm tired of playing your games.

    Did Reid allow a vote on the House bill with no changes or not???
    why would he need to
    the senate passed its own version by a vote of 89 affirm to 10 opposed


    maybe you can explain why he/the senate was expected to have done anything differently. this should be rich!
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    Re: Boehner demands Senate cancel its vacation

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    I'm tired of playing your games.

    Did Reid allow a vote on the House bill with no changes or not???
    Yes, he did. No Senator was denied the opportunity to vote on or propose amendments to the bill that was passed by the Senate as it's version of the House bill. The fact that it began working on it in a draft form before officially making it the House bill is irrelevant to that fact. If you understood congressional procedure you'd understand that. The fact that the bill passed with a majority of both Democratic and Republican senators voting yes should tell you something.
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    Re: Boehner demands Senate cancel its vacation

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Yes, he did. No Senator was denied the opportunity to vote on or propose amendments to the bill that was passed by the Senate as it's version of the House bill. The fact that it began working on it in a draft form before officially making it the House bill is irrelevant to that fact. If you understood congressional procedure you'd understand that. The fact that the bill passed with a majority of both Democratic and Republican senators voting yes should tell you something.
    It took long enough for you to admit you were wrong. The bill passed by the House was never voted on in its original form by the Senate.

    Even your liberal buddy Justabubba agrees with me.

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