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    Re: Boehner demands Senate cancel its vacation

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    The Senate has adjourned, that's why.
    yes they have. Before finishing their work. Good job.
    Part of the budget process is for the House and Senate to reconcile when bills have differences.
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    Re: Boehner demands Senate cancel its vacation

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Wow, you're quick..... The bill has to be voted down before a conference committee is called.

    Of course they don't have to take it to conference if the bills differ. They only have to take it to the conference committee if they want the bill to become law, or one of the sides has to accept the other body's bill as originally written.

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    Re: Boehner demands Senate cancel its vacation

    After reading this entire thread, I think there are a few things that need to be clarified.

    1. The original bill that came out of the House was H.R. 3630. This bill would have done 5 things:

    a) extend the payroll tax cut for all 12-months of 2012.
    b) extend unemployment benefits for the full year, 2012.
    c) paid for the payroll tax cut extension by closing some tax loopholes on millionaires and pay imposing a fee on first-time home buyers under Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac loan guarantee programs.
    d) give the President 60-days to determine if he would approve the KeystoneXL pipeline project under the September 2008 permit and the August 2011 environmental impact study. If approved, up to four EPA regulations dealing with boilers and approved in March of this year would be suspended. (Have no idea what boilers have to do with the pipeline, but that's Congress for you...sticking stuff in legislation where it really doesn't belong).

    2. H.R. 3630 was passed by the House and sent to the Senate, whereby the Senate decided to table the bill and instead vote on an amended bill, S. Amdt 1465 which only included:

    a) 60-day review period for the President to approve KeystoneXL pipeline w/same caveats as HR 3630.
    b) extend payroll tax cut for 60-days

    3. House receives S. Amdt 1465 and rejects it presumably because Tea Party Republicans wanted the payroll tax cut extended for the full year.

    Now, here's the thing...

    Most people believe this payroll tax extension argument is nothing more than a redherring. You would be right. To that, I have to give tessaesque, AdamT and 00timh credit. IMO, they've come closest to figuring out the real deal behind all the political wrangling than anyone else. Truth is, the way HR 3630 was structured was a ploy by House Republicans but botched by Sen. McConnell.

    Speaker Boehner wanted H.R. 3630 to pass because it would have done two things for the image of the Republican party:

    1) Showed they weren't just for tax cuts for the wealthy, but that they could be compassionate towards the working-class as well.
    2) Box the President into making a choice: Accept a bill that contained the payroll tax cut for the full-year OR follow through on his veto threat against any legislation that contained a provision on authorizing the KeystoneXL pipeline.

    Sen. McConnell screwed him by ensuring that Sen. Reid and the Dems would not receive the super majority vote needed to pass HR 3630. So, instead he agrees with Reid to approve the amended bill, S. Amdt 1465 assuming the House would pass it.

    Boehner initially voices his okay, but then recants once he learns that GOP Tea Partiers were against a 60-day stopgap measure on extending the payroll tax cut. Now, here's where the Republican leadership screwed themselves out of a moral victory...

    Political end-fighting. In truth, McConnell's S. Amdt 1465 was toxic for the President. Either he approves it and accept the pipeline project or he rejects it and cost middle-class taxpayers a tax cut. (Anyone really think the 60-day payroll tax extension wouldn't have been extended for the full-year had the President accepted the pipeline project?) But there's more to this than most people would ordinarily consider. To that, I give credit to Gill. He's the only one who grasped the "process" associated with sending HR 3630 as well as S. Amdt 1465 up for a vote. In seeking a conference, Boehner (and Cantor) hoped to achieve gridlock on HR 3630 (which I'm sure they would have since the bill passed with very little Democrat support) and force the President to get involved in negotiations. The idea being to try to paint the President as inaffectual. Why do you think Boehner has been insisting that the President recall Congress in session? Problem here is the President can only call Congress back into session under "extraordinary occasions" per Art 2, Sect 3 of the U.S. Constitution. Thus, the question becomes: "Does extending the payroll tax cut meet the test of an 'extraordinary occasion'"?

    This entire ordeal has turned out better for the President and much worse for Republicans. Not only does it illustrate that Boehner still doesn't have full control over the GOP in the House, it also shows that the Republican leadership moreso than the President are, in fact, playing politics.

    Bottom Line: The GOP wound up tripping over their own feet on this one in their attempt to back the President into a corner. The stupid part is he was ready to capitulate on behalf of the middle-class...or was he?

    You can review the vote count and both bills, HR 3630 and S. Amdt 1465 at GovTrack.us

    EDIT: Just thought I'd add this quote from danarhea from the thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    And of course, although I disagree with Obama on a lot of things, sometimes strongly, I have to say that he is right on this one. After all, Speaker Boehner originally kicked this over to the Senate, demanding that Democrats compromise. Democrats in the Senate DID compromise to the extent that the unemployment tax bill passed the Senate with a LOT of Republican support. When it came back to the House, Boehner could not keep the extremists in his party in line, and the compromise failed. I can't fault Boehner for attempting to kick this back to the Senate, and demand more compromises again, even though GOP Senators managed to already extract compromises. Boehner is over a barrel, and his leadership is weak. In the end, almost all of the House Republicans revolted against the bipartisan Senate plan, which was endorsed by no less than Mitch McConnell himself.

    Now, instead of forcing Obama's hand, as they hoped to do, House Republicans have put themselves in the hot seat, because the failure here is certainly going to be a red meat issue for Obama and the Democratic party in 2012. When you only hold one House and not the Presidency, "my way or the highway" is not going to work. This was a serious miscalculation on the part of House Republicans, who will suffer consequences for their actions next year. This can still be avoided. Don't attempt to call Obama's bluff. Just go back into session and pass the damn thing. You will look like heroes if you do, and goats if you don't.

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    Re: Boehner demands Senate cancel its vacation

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
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    Time for the Senate to get their lardasses back to work.
    The Senate on Dec. 17 passed the temporary tax-cut legislation by a vote of 89-10 -- with the support of 39 Republicans, among them Minority Leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky. Yesterday the Republican-controlled House rejected the bipartisan Senate plan, which also extended unemployment benefits.

    While the House Republicans’ position may play well with the Tea Party voting base, it hurts their image with the broader public, said Jennifer Duffy, a Senate analyst at the nonpartisan Cook Political Report.

    “I don’t think Senate Republicans look all that bad here, but I think House Republicans sure do,” said Duffy. “And I wouldn’t be surprised to see the Senate guys just sort of throw them over the side.”

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-1...publicans.html
    If the Boehner and the House intended to defeat the "temporary tax-cut legislation," perhaps somebody should have at least consulted with Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, and the 38 other "lardass" Republican senators, before they voted for it.

    The GOP can't have it both ways, a majority of Senate Republicans support the bill, followed by a majority of House Republicans defeating the same bill.

    This isn't just a Republican/Democrat confrontation, as our conservative "friends" would like to characterize it.

    This reveals an open split within the GOP whereby the majority of House Republicans are repudiating the actions of a majority of Senate Republicans - over a compromise bill that Minority Leader McConnell helped negotiate!
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    Re: Boehner demands Senate cancel its vacation

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    yes they have. Before finishing their work. Good job.
    Part of the budget process is for the House and Senate to reconcile when bills have differences.
    Please read through the thread before you comment.
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    Re: Boehner demands Senate cancel its vacation

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    The Senate finished its work already. Boehner just doesn't like it. Doesn't mean they didn't.
    It is apparent you don't understand how Congress functions.
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    Re: Boehner demands Senate cancel its vacation

    Quote Originally Posted by conservativeguy View Post
    It is apparent you don't understand how Congress functions.
    I think it's safe to say I understand it ALOT better than you do.
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    Re: Boehner demands Senate cancel its vacation

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    They invest it into companies that use the money to grow. I am sure they put some into commodities, but I would think investing would be the right answer.
    Then you'd be wrong. They aren't investing their money - at least, not in the US
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    Re: Boehner demands Senate cancel its vacation

    It was well within the powers of the Republicans in the House to have voted and passed their own version of the payroll-tax extension and then have the 2 pieces of legislation reconciled.

    Obviously, the Republicans in the House have a different political agenda their GOP counterparts in the Senate!
    Last edited by jgarden47; 12-21-11 at 04:37 PM.

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    Re: Boehner demands Senate cancel its vacation

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Except it was the HOUSE that didn't have a roll call vote. The Senate did have a roll call vote (and 39 Republicans voted Yes by the way). So it's Boehner being dishonest, right?
    H.R.3630: Temporary Payroll Tax Cut Continuation Act of 2011 - U.S. Congress - OpenCongress

    That doesn't look like the result of good compromising. That looks like voting mostly on party lines.

    If our taxes go up on New Year's Day, it will be 100% on John Boehner and the House Republicans. Even Mitch McConnell knew better than to take that hit.
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